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Interviewing cidermakers importers, orchardists, foodies, farmers and cider enthusiasts around the world. Let’s delve into the semantics of cider…or is it hard cider, cidre, sidra or fermented apple juice? The truth is out there in Ciderville and we are going to find it. We toast in celebration of cider; As a libation, a gift from the gods, a taste of terroir, and a hard pressed good time. Ready to quench your thirst? Grab a glass and join this chat! See you in Ciderville!
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Dec 13, 2017

Reserve  your spot today for the Totally Cider Tour to the UK! The cider tour begins in Bristol, UK on April 25th and then after that evening's dinner at The Stable for the "Ultimate Cider" dinner we head out to tour around Somerset and then Herefordshire through May 2nd. Sign up for a trip of a lifetime and come along with Ria, the host of Cider Chat and fellow cider travels.

The main chat this week begins at 10:54 minutes

The Cider Junction is a 31 tap cider bistro and bottle shop (26 dedicated to cider), located 10 minutes from San Jose International Airport and smack in the middle of an area once known as "Valley of Heart's Delight"! Thanks to owners/publicans Claudia Derp and Tracy Smith craft cider is pouring seven days a week in San Jose California.

For this chat I headed to The Cider Junction with "The Nose" to meet Claudia and Tracy. I was curious to hear how their newly opened "bistro and bottle shop" was doing only one month after their opening.

Cider Junction flight

Listen along as we discover the background story behind The Cider Junction, why this area of San Jose known as Willow Glen is a not so hidden gem in the middle of this bright, light city and what to expect when you visit The Cider Junction.

Cider Junction tap menu during our recording

Download the Digital Pour App to find the latest selection of ciders on tap at The Cider Junction.

Contact for The Cider Junction

Website: https://www.theciderjunction.com/

Email: info@theciderjunction.com

Address: 

  • 820 Willow St
  • San Jose (Willow Glen), CA 95125

Hours: *** Closed on Mondays during the winter months

  • Monday - Friday  4 pm to 10 pm (or later)
  • Saturday 11 am - midnight
  • Sunday 11 am - 8 pm

Cider Events, thangs....Cideries Mentioned in this chat

Then to Santa Cruz!

February 11, 2018 - New York International Beer Competition (NYIBC) is accepting cider entries NOW! NYIBC is using the United States Association of Cider Makers new cider categories for this competition. The judges at this competition are in the trade of buying and selling cider and thus judge the cider on the merits of taste and price point.

CiderCon 2018 - January 30 - February 2, 2018 register and download the program today and start planning your time in Baltimore, Maryland at CiderCon!

Podcast Episode mentioned

030: Nat West | Reverend Nat's Hard Cider, OR

081: Stephanie & Aaron Carson | Gypsy Circus Cider Co., TN

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat. 

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Dec 6, 2017

Register: Between December 6th through the 13th and receive $100 off your fee!

Register Me!

Join Ria (the Producer and Host of Cider Chat) and Totally Cider for a fantastic journey to the West Country in the United Kingdom. We will visit some of the best cideries and stay in lovely accommodations for our trip. Additional days pre- or post-tour can easily be arranged.

Space is limited for this unique opportunity, so don't wait! Please follow this link for registration and payments: Register Me!

Cider Visits & Sightseeing:

Sightseeing

  • Tintern Abbey
  • Chepstow Castle
  • Bath
    • Have all day Saturday to roam about in the City of Bath, visting the Roman Baths, a High Cider Tea at our hotel or the many English Pubs!

Accommodation:

  • 1 night • Brooks Guest House, Bristol • 4 Star
  • 1 nights • Castle Hotel, Taunton • 4 Star
  • 2 night • Abbey Hotel, Bath • 4 Star
  • 2 nights • Brooks Country House, Ross on Wye • 4 Star
  • 1 night • Brooks Guest House, Bristol • 4 Star

Meals:

  • Breakfasts at the hotel each morning
  • Ultimate Cider Experience at The Stable Restaurant, Bristol
  • Lunch at the Railway Inn (Thatcher’s)
  • Three course dinner at the Castle Hotel Taunton (private room)
  • Lunch at the Three Horseshoes
  • Packed lunch/ Picnic from Apple County Cider
  • Light lunch at Brooks Country House Hotel
  • Three course dinner in Brooks Country House (private area of restaurant)
  • Packed lunch provided by Brooks Country House

Detailed itinerary and a few photos to give you a taste can be found below. The tour is round trip from Bristol.

Mentions in this Chat

February 11, 2018 - New York International Beer Competition (NYISC) is accepting cider entries NOW! NYISC is using the United States Association of Cider Makers new cider categories for this competition. The judges at this competition are in the trade of buying and selling cider and thus judge the cider on it merit of taste and price point.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

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Nov 29, 2017

Reserve you spot today for the Totally Cider Tour to the UK! We will be visiting Tom Oliver an award winning cidermaker and this week's guest on Cider Chat. This cider tour begins in Bristol, UK on April 25, 2018, then after that evening's dinner at The Stable for the "Ultimate Cider" dinner we head out to tour around Somerset and then Herefordshire through May 2nd. Sign up for a trip of a lifetime and come along with Ria, the host of Cider Chat and fellow cider travels.

This week's chat was recorded during Tom's presentation at CiderDays 2017.

Making Perry tips from Tom

  • No surprise that Tom says you are reliant upon the fruit
  • Don’t work with culinary pears or apples
  • All about minimum intervention
  • Ferments with wild yeast - does not pitch yeast.
  • Doesn’t use sulfite prior to fermentation
  • No yeast nutrient
  • Use a little bit of SO2 - about 80 ppm

Tom’s favorite Pear varieties for making Perry, hopefully from old trees

More pears mentions in this chat:

  • Coppy
  • Rock
  • Gin
  • Oldfield
  • Christmas Pear
  • Cypress Pear
  • Ferret Custard
  • Cows slip
  • Dead Boy

Go to this UK link to find out more about Perry Pears

The Challenge of Perry Pears:

  • They all ripen at different times
  • They don’t come off the tree
  • They engage in bletting
  • If the pear is brown in side is it bad or rotten - no it is not - it is fermenting.

Blet - means overripe pear...it is fermenting

Rot - is decomposing.

  • And Tom does use pears that are bletting from the inside out - "It is how far you will let it go. (blet).
  • Tom washes the pears beforehand and referenced Mike Beck and how he uses saline solution to wash the pears in because pears sink, unlike apples that float.
  • Maceration - leaving the pears to break down the sugars before you press them
    • Tom does at least 24 hours to 48 hours for a pressing.

Contact for Oliver's Cider and Perry

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

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Nov 22, 2017

Sign up now for Totally Cider Trip to the UK in April 2018!! - Come along with Ria the Producer and Host of Cider Chat as we travel through Somerset and Herefordshire in the UK visiting makers and drinking cider along the way! The trip begins in Bristol, UK on Wednesday April 25 and run through May 2, 2018. Go to this link to view the itinerary and contact Jodi to register today. This trip is expected to fill up fast so don't delay in signing up today. 

On this weeks chat: Chadd Cook comes from a multi generational family of orchardist. His grandparent tended apples on one side of the lane and his parents planted apples on the other side of the lane on their honeymoon.

This new commercial maker was a 2014 Gold Medal winner at Franklin County CiderDays competition. His products are just out, so stay tuned! One listen to this chat might make you agree that this guy is a virtual walking encyclopedia on cidermaking.

Chadd explains that he uses a partial wild ferment in every cider. Using up to .4 parts per million (ppm) of sulfite, which he says will inhibit most lactic acid bacteria and brettanomyces - but this amount of sulfite won’t kill off all the wild saccharomyces yeasts. They let it get up to about 1% alcohol before introducing their own yeast at Cider Cellars.

All of Cider Hill Cellars products are named after a season like Spring Cider or Summer Cider and Frost Cider ( an ice cider)

Patrons of Cider Chat will recieve a special additional audio file on Chadd speaking on how to stop fermentation of Ice Cider and future tips for this special Apple drink!

Mentions in this Chat

Boston Wort Processors - homebrewing group

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

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Nov 15, 2017

Totally Cider Travels - Come along with Ria of Cider Chat as we travel through Somerset and Herefordshire in the UK visiting makers and drinking cider along the way! The trip begins in Bristol, UK on wednesday April 25 and run through May 2, 2018.

First dibs to go on this trip goes to the Patrons of Cider Chat. You too can join Cider Chat Patreon's page and become a Patron of Cider Chat helping to support this podcast. This trip will be posted this week on the Cider Chat Patreon page.

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Robby Honda owner and cidermaker at Tanuki Cider is one of a growing number of cidermakers in the Santa Cruz Mountains of California. Robby's chat begins at 27:57 minutes in.

Before we get to Robby I share my tips on managing your cider once the initial fermentation has slowed down.

We chat:

  • Racking cider
  • Sulfite usage
  • Managing the head space once racking is complete
  • What to do if you cider freezes during fermentation

At the end of the podcast I share how I make cyser, a cider made with honey

Ria's Basic Cyser Recipe that always kickass!

  • 5 gallons fresh pressed apple juice
  • 5 pounds of raw honey
  • rehydrated Sweet Mead Yeast - I use WPL720 from White Labs, but any sweet mead yeast will do too.
  • Blend all this together and viola! You made cyser, now all you need is a bit of patience.

Contact for Tanuki Cider

Maker: Robby Honda

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/307059422967615/

Instagram: @tanukicider

Mentions in this Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

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Nov 8, 2017

A special listen with five New York State cidermakers, who each brought home medals from the  Royal Bath and West Show cider competition in the UK!

The introduction is by Sara Grady, Vice President of Programs at Glynnwood.

Jennifer Smith, Executive Director of the New York Cider Association

This recorded presentation showcases the ciders listed below each maker, beginning with Autumn Stoscheck. - Do note though that there were even more ciders that won awards!

Each of the listed ciders where poured and presented in a straight row before each attendee. The ciders stood tall like touting geese saying "Look at me and take a sip!"

I love being poured a fairly copious amount of cider as it showcases abundance and that is exactly what the party going 24/7 in Ciderville is all about!

Autumn Stoscheck owner/cidermaker Eve's Cider presents. Listen to Autumn and Erza Sherman on episodes 90 & 91

  • Darling Creek 

Ryan Burk, cidermaker at Angry Orchard. Listen to Ryan on episode 9.

  • First Flora

Elizabeth Ryan, owner/cidermaker Hudson Valley Farmhouse Cider

  • The Last Blacksmith

Dave Defisher - owner/cidermaker Rootstock Ciderworks

  • Heritage

Dan Wilson - owner/cidermaker Slyboro Ciderhouse

  • La Sainte Terre

Mentions in this Chat

Totally Cider Travels - Come along with Ria of Cider Chat as we travel through Somerset and Herefordshire in the UK visiting makers and drinking cider along the way! The trip begins in Bristol, UK on wednesday April 25 and run through May 2, 2018.

First dibs to go on this trip goes to the Patrons of Cider Chat. You too can join Cider Chat Patreon's page and become a Patron of Cider Chat helping to support this podcast.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

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Nov 1, 2017

In Part 1 of "Cider Ignites NYC" we chat with New York Cidermakers and enthusiasts who are attending Hidden Stars, a cider fest held during NYC Cider Week 2017.

First up is Kyle Sherrer of Graft Cider in Newburgh New York known for making wild ferment “sour” ciders (that Sidra lovers adore) more accessible to fans of cider - read: packaging in cans.

Congratulations to Graft Cider for celebrating a 1 year anniversary on October 31, 2017.

Next we chat with Dylan who was pouring for Naked Flock Hard Cider Experience Dylan shares the fun, background story behind the naked goose on the label and an upcoming event!

Danielle von Scheiner, who was on Cider Chat episode 35, is the cidermaker and owner of Big Apple Hard Cider. Danielle shares with us how she is sending all the proceeds from her “Soho Cider” to Gods Love We Deliver a New York non profit with the mission of improving “the health and well-being of men, women and children living with HIV/AIDS, cancer and other serious illnesses by alleviating hunger and malnutrition. They prepare and deliver nutritious, high-quality meals to people who, because of their illness, are unable to provide or prepare meals for themselves. We also provide illness-specific nutrition education and counseling to our clients, families, care providers and other service organizations.”

Find Big Apple Hard Cider at The Ear Inn, NYC oldest continuously pub since 1817.

Then we get a to hear from Cider Enthusiasts attending Hidden Stars as they let us know about their cider drinking history and what exactly they would like to learn more about cider.

Mentions is this Chat

LA Amateur Wine Competition - http://cellarmastersla.org/ and the rules and info are all right on the homepage.  The deadline says 11/11/17, but that will be extended as it gets closer. You can pay online or send a check with your entries.  Let your cider club know as well!

2nd Annual Cider Meet Up kicks off CiderDays - November 3, 2017, 6-8 pm at The Root Cellar in Greenfield, MA

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

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Oct 25, 2017

"The Nose" is back helping Ria sort through the past year and celebrate this 100th episode of Cider Chat!

We delve into wild yeast, terroir, and hear a bit from every single guest on the past 50 episodes of Cider Chat.

To listen to episodes 1-50 go to this page.

Listen to episodes 51-100 go to this page.

Raise a glass and celebrate the first 100 episode of cidercentric audio with chats with makers, enthusiast, and folks in the cider trade around the world.

Mentions in this Chat

Colin Scott of episode 93 will be selling cider apple trees in a bucket. $20 at CiderDays place your order now! 

cscott9487@gmail.com 

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

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Oct 18, 2017

Vincent Godefroy is one smart cidermaker located in Normandy France. He saw the opportunity to entice tourist visiting the nearby famous white cliffs of Ètretat to his cidery. Vincent and Marie-Clarie Godefroy have a full service cider destination offering lodging for two adults in a wooden barrel see photos at ciderchat.com

The Godefroy's welcome over 5000 visitors each year to an area that is dominated by flax and rye farms. They produce over 50,000 bottles of cider each year, selling half of those bottles at their gift shop and the other half within a 30 kilometer radius of their cidery.

What to pair with Vincent's ciders?

The blue label is an extra dry and is best served with seafood

The semi dry goes well with the local cheese Neufchâtel

Contact info for Ecomusee de la Pomme et du Cidre

Owners and Makers: Vincent et Marie-Claire Godefroy

website: http://www.ecomuseeducidre.fr/

email: info@ecomuseeducidre.fr

telephone:

address: 1315 route de Goderville
76110 BRETTEVILLE DU GRAND

Mentions in the Chat

  • Ned Lawton of Ethic Ciders updates us on the California fires happening this October in the Sonoma and Napa regions of the state.
  • Battonage: Stirring in the lees is a technique used to keep the lees in solution helping to gobble up oxygen and providing a broader mouthfeel.
  • New York City Cider Week Oct 20 -29
  • CiderDays, Franklin County Massachusetts November 3rd, 4th & 5th
    • Go to the Cider Meetup at the Root Cellar on Friday night November 3rd 6-8pm. Bring a bottle of cider to share, $5 corking fee applies.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

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Oct 11, 2017

The Louis Dupont Family Estate is a 70 acre (30 hectares) orchard that was bought by selling the family's stock of calvados.

In this chat I speak with Jérome Dupont the great grandson of Jules Dupont who bought Domaine Dupont with the family's calvados in 1887. Jérome and his father Etienne Dupont and his sister Anne-Pamy Dupont now run the estate.

Domaine Dupont is on the Route du Cidre in the region of Normandy called Pays d'Auge.

We chat on the growing cider culture in the US and France and working with wild yeast.

The head cidermaker's at Domaine Dupont is Arnaud Ramsayer.

Jérome works with his father distilling the cidre to make calvados.

Pommeau is a blend of fresh pressed apple juice and calvados.

Contact info for Domaine Dupont

address: 14430 Victot-Pontfol, France

website:https://www.calvados-dupont.com/en/dupont-estate.htm

telephone: +33 (0)231.632.424

email: info@calvadosdupont.com

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

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Oct 4, 2017

In this chat I take you along on my travels a.k.a reconnaissance for a future travel tourist trips to Normandy. This main chat begins at 12:30 minutes

Before I headed to France I first made a stop in the Netherlands, specifically Amsterdam and the well love park called Vondelpark.

Cider Travel Tip: Nearby Amsterdam Centraal Train station is a great bike rental shop called Star Bikes.

While on the bike I found my first Medlar tree laden with fruit.

 

The next day I flew to Paris, rented a car, and drove out to Normandy in search of the perfect cider loop to bring a group of cider tourists.

I headed to Honfleur and met with Agathe Letelliet of episode 49.

I then head north to see both Etretrat and Vincent who is the farmer and maker at Ecomusee de la Pomme et du Cidre

The next day it was onto meet Jerome Dupont of the Domaine Dupont 

The area surrounding Domaine Dupont is dotted with cideries everywhere. You can spend hours roaming around in search of the perfect glass or find yourself wanting for a rest at a cafe to enjoy the French country air. I however was on the quest for cider or as it is written in French cidre (sedar).

I made one more stop to meet with Stéphane et Lucile Grandval – Manoir de Grandouet before heading onto to the Domfront region of Normandy where pears are celebrated like no where else in the world.

Thursday was spent meeting with Phillipe who along with his wife open their farm to a festival of art called The Appel au Bois Normand - this is not an apple fest, but it sure is one heck of a festival.

Having stayed with my new friend Michel Dargent who owns the Airbnb that I stayed in while touring the Domfront region of Normandy,  I learned of a local cidermaker whose Poire knock my socks off! I will speak about Roland as I roll out these episodes from France.

My last night in Normandy was spent having dinner with Eric Bordelet. We discussed the world affairs of cider as we drank a bottle of 2008  and 2014 Argellete, along with a bottle of red wine. To contrast the wine with the cider helped me understand and appreciate what Eric offers as a maker. His ciders are about terroir and that means the earth. When he walks in his orchards he looks to the ground and picks up the local stone - You can taste the earth in his cider. Yes they are dry, but they also yield the taste of stone or minerality that you feel on your teeth and in your mouth....imagine being in a rock quarry and having the stone dust coat your mouth. Bordelet ciders are dry and wet at the same time and of course delicious.

Next year in 2018, I will be offering to two trip to 20 people to come with me to the UK and then on to Normandy. Many of the people mentioned in this chat will be part of the Normandy tour, including Eric who will provide a seminar on how to taste cider.

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Suffice to say, it was a memorable experience in Normandy and the Netherlands - and I can't wait to return. Perhaps with you?

Mentions in this chat

  • What's up with CiderDays this year?
  • The origins of the term "Hard Cider" at 6:43 minutes
    • Winemakers Recipe Book, Raymond

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  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
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  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
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Sep 20, 2017

This episode of Cider Chat was recorded by Alex Kroh, cidermaker, roving podcast reporter and super, duper nice guy in Ciderville!

This chat begins with Alex and Melissa and Garett venturing outside to the orchard and the asparagus polyculture planting just south of the cider house. They then walk east down the hill to the new dwarf orchard and talk about the differences between the two planting styles.

In the second half of this chat, Alex and Garrett are in the production space below the tasting room and get into the weeds talking cidermaking technique.

  •  traditional method (champagne method)
  • encapsulated yeast vs. loose yeast
  • tank carbonation
  • making sweet reserve
  • fermentation tanks
  • yeast combinations
  • and the ciders on offer in the tasting room.

Alex writes,

"When I visited the Finger Lakes Cider House in July of 2017, I was completely taken with the vibe of Good Life Farm, which is the on-going vision of Garrett Miller and Melissa Madden. More than just an orchard and more than just a cider house, Good Life Farm is a diverse ecological farm that was designed to do the most good for the land and the community that surrounds it.

Central to their management philosophy are permaculture design principles, a system for managing the human impact on the planet by working with nature instead of against it. The difference between a “conventional” farm and one that incorporates permaculture design principles was immediately apparent to this midwesterner who is used to driving by the country miles of soy and corn. By contrast, Good Life Farm feels like stepping back in time before the Green Revolution transformed the agricultural landscapes of the United States into a patchwork quilt of monocrops with “high tech” petrochemical farming. Instead, Good Life Farm has picturesque orchards interplanted with asparagus, high-tunnel greenhouses downhill from the beautiful ciderhouse, apple trees grown along the contours of the hill, with vegetable rows, ponds and cow pastures interspersed. The methods used at Good Life Farm are decidedly low-tech. They use draft horses to accomplish many of the tasks that a tractor would normally do today. Other animals, such as turkeys, geese and beef cows, help with various tasks like insect control and soil fertilization."

So what does this mean for their cider?

  • Garrett and Melissa believe that by managing the land in this way they can grow apples that are more flavorful than apples grown under other management systems and will translate into better cider.

Another component of their farm that contributes to their cidermaking paradigm is their tasting room. The Finger Lakes Cider House showcases their house ciders, Kite and String (previously Good Life Cider), and three other nearby cidermakers including Black Diamond Cider, Eve’s Cidery, and Redbyrd Orchard Cider. Melissa comments that because these other three cidermakers are tending toward the drier end of the sweetness palate, Garrett and brother/cidermaker Jimmy have created a number of semi-sweet, medium sweet and sweet ciders in addition to their dry ciders to appeal to drop-in traffic from patrons on the Finger Lakes wine trail. This range of cider style varieties gives them the opportunity to experiment with ciders that span the sweetness palate as well as develop some interesting cider styles that you likely won’t find anywhere else, such as a young cider, a royal cider, and a Rosé cider consisting of fermented apple juice and unfermented Riesling and Marachal Foch red wine.

 Below you’ll find the map that Melissa and I are standing in front of at the beginning of the chat while we discuss permaculture management zones.

 Contact Fingers Lakes Cider House 

website: http://www.fingerlakesciderhouse.com/

telephone:  607-351-3313 

email: melissa@fingerlakesciderhouse.com

Good Life Farm website: http://www.thegoodlifefarm.org/

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Permaculture:

Other cideries at the Finger Lakes Cider House:

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  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
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  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
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Sep 13, 2017

Making a 1-gallon batch of cider is easy! And a 3-gallon or 5-gallon batch of cider is just as easy to make too! Learn how to make cider at home and begin upping your cider knowledge today. In this episode I cover all the basics on how to make cider at home.

Below find the basic equipment needs for making cider.

Hint: Do get these items before getting your fresh pressed apple juice to ferment.

Real basic cidermaking - 1 gallon jug

Equipment needed:

  • 1 gallon jug that came with your cider
  • Rubber stopper with a hole big enough to fit an airlock
  • airlock - S-shaped

or go deluxe and put the cider in a glass jar

Making a 3-gallon or 5-gallon batch of cider

  • What to consider before you get your juice
    • How much money do you want to spend and how much cider do you want to make?

Consider:

  • 3 gallon = approximately 22 pounds filled
    • calculated as 7 pounds per liquid gallon + 1 pound for glass carboy
  • 5 gallon = approximately 37 pounds filled

I like 3 gallon carboys because they are easier to lift

Equipment needed for either a 3-gallon or 5-gallon batch of cider

A. Two Carboys - always choose glass over plastic

B. Rubber stopper

  • with hole in center, that fits in your glass carboy

C. One Airlock

  • use either an S-shaped or 3 piece fermentor
  • The airlock release CO2 as the cider is fermenting and prevents Oxygen from entering.

D. Yeast

You can spend hours googling which yeast to use - For your first batch of cider keep it simple

Tried and true yeasts. Each come in a packet and are dry yeast with approximately 5 grams.

  • Lavlin 71B, nice all-round yeast that helps to mellow the sharpness of high acid apple blends.
  • M2 Lavlin - this yeast makes apples sing in delight as it enhances their character. Might even get a richer mouthfeel. Extra bonus - a finish that suggests residual sugar, even though it is fermented dry!
  • Cider House Blend
  • English Cider Yeast

E. Clear food grade tubing (1/2inch diameter) to rack cider once fermentation is done

F. Campden Tablets (Sodium metabisulfite) - Used to arrest the yeast that in currently active in the juice, so that your cultured yeast can go to town once it is pitched.

  • 1 tablet per gallon. Add to fresh juice and let sit overnight

G. Fresh pressed unpasteurized apple juice

  • Cider Blends are best!
  • Why not use pasteurized juice?
    • It usually contains sorbet, sorbic acid, benzoate or benzoic acid which not only affects the taste, but can affect fermentation.

Extra Yeast Tips

  • Refrigerate both liquid yeast and dry yeast packets. Each contain millions of yeast cells and you don't want them to dry out or over heat

Making a yeast starter solution - a.k.a. double your yeast money by doubling the yeast

By making a yeast starter you

  • Increases yeast population before pitching
  • Revs up the fermentation
  • Make sure you are "pitching" yeast that is viable and healthy

1. Use a clean sanitized glass bottle, such as 750 ml wine bottle and have an extra rubber stopper and airlock.

2. Pour in:

  • 1 cup of fresh pressed juice heated for 5 minutes
  • Let it cool to the point that if you stuck your finger into the solution it would not burn your finger.

or

  • 1/2 cup of fresh pressed juice that has been sulfited overnight, so you know the yeast are no longer viable in that juice.

3. Put the stopper on, with airlock and let the yeast go to town.

Figure 2-days and now you have enough yeast for 10 gallons instead of 5.

Can you keep doubling the yeast starter?

- Yes, you can!

Do the same process as before to triple the amount

Mentions in this Chat

Nathan Pierce's Micro Brewr podcast

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  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Sep 6, 2017

Ramborn Cider Company located in Luxembourg is helping to revive the cidermaking tradition  as the country's first commercial cidery.  Ramborn offers a range cider styles from Farmhouse,  Somerset Blend (Luxembourg and English cider apples) and a New World hopped cider. Ramborn has an eau de vie which is a apple brandy produced by means of fermentation and double distillation.

In this chat I speak with Adie Kaye and discuss his upcoming trip to the Seattle Cider Summit on September 8 & 9, 2017. Make sure to say "Hi" to Adie if you see him at the Summit and tell him that you heard him speak on Cider Chat!

Ramborn is available in Luxembourg and in the state of Wisconsin in the US.

Cider Vocabulary:

Luxembourg word for cider is "viez" - comes from Latin word for second wine "viez vinum"

Contact Ramborn Cider Company

website: https://ramborn.com/en/

address: 23 Duerfstrooss, 6660 Bur, Luxembourg

telephone: +352 26 72 92 04

Mentions in this chat:

075: Alan Shapiro | Cider Summit USA

Cider Writers:

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  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
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  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
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Aug 30, 2017

Colin Scott grew up learning how to care for apples on his parents, Edward and Janice, orchard. The orchard was purchased in 1954. Today Colin is running the orchard and sells his apples at the Chelsea Market in eastern MA. E & J Scott Orchard also has apricots, blackberries, blueberries, cherries, grapes, nectarines, peaches, pears, plums, quince, raspberries, & strawberries. They have farm stands in Buckland and Goshen during the season. Their main store is in Ashfield, MA and is open Sat & Sun 10-6 July through May. Organic duck eggs from their heritage breed Ancona ducks are also available upon request.

We begin this chat with Colin inside one of the storage rooms.

What affects the Apple's ripping?

  • temperature
  • ethylene gas - apples off gas
  • Apples are placed in a CA room (Controlled Atmosphere) where both temperature, oxygen and the off gases are controlled.

If apples don't have oxygen they don't ripen. Colin and I discuss the "delicate" process of storing apples or what he called "putting them to sleep".

Apple storage tip: Take your apples out of the refrigerator every once in a while and let them off gas. That will help them last a bit longer.

Next in this chat we talk about

  • the beginnings of the orchard and what they grew and where they are going with the growing cider market
  • Root Stock for grafting a tree - dwarf or standard
  • Shifting his market to cider apples
  • What do you look for in a root stock

"The idea behind grafting is to take the variety that you want and put it on the root stock you want. The vigor of the variety contributes to the size of the tree."

The numbering system of the root stock defines the size of the tree or a percentage of the size of the tree

  • M rootstock 9, 11, 18, 26 what does that stand for? If you put a Macintosh on standard tree rootstock and a Macintosh on a 26, you would get 30 -40-% of the standard one. A M118 or M111 are going to be 6--70% the size, which means they will be almost as big as a standard tree.

Today Colin is using Geneva root stock, because he is finding it resistant to Fire Blight. A nasty disease that can kill the tree.

Geneva root stock numbering system is random too. Colin is using Geneva 41 & 935. They will be 30-40% of the standard tree. He uses a bench graft on his root stock.

The secret to grafting per Colin

  • Lining up the cambium layers
  • Getting it airtight

We also chat pruning an apple tree, especially a tree that you are attempting to revive after years of neglect.

Contact E & J Scott Orchard

email: mailto:cscott9487@gmail.com

web: http://www.farmfresh.org/food/farm.php?farm=3762

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076: Lou and Sue Chadwick | Grafting with Second Chance Farm, MA

086: Cider Press | Make Cider

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  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Aug 23, 2017

Swilled Dog Hard Cider is a family owned cidery located in the Shenandoah Valley of West Virginia.

Swilled Dog launched in January 2017, and and began selling its wares in March.

This is the 2nd cider company to launch in the past five years in West Virginia, the first being Hawk Nob Appalachian Hard Cider & Mead.

Currently there is not Tasting Room at the cidery, but that shouldn't deter you from visiting the area, which borders Virginia and a plethora of ciders. Swill Dog is approximately 3 hours from Baltimore Maryland and 2 hours from the District of Columbia.

Why try Swill Dog?

  • This new startup sent four of their ciders to  the Great Lakes International Cider & Perry competition and each cider received a medal.

Current list of their Ciders

Bunny Slope - hopped cider "Our Bunny Slope 6.0%

Carmel Apple - semi-sweet cider 6.0%

Walk the Dog - semi dry cider 6.0%

Seasonal Ciders

Island Vibe -  pineapple  apple cider 6.0%

WV Scrumpy - made with locally foraged apples 6.9%

Apple Bottom 6.5%

Granny Gold 6.0%

Coming Soon: Pumpkin Patch

Says Brad Glover of Swill Dog Hard Cider, "We want to make cider that is approachable to everybody, the more palates you can hit with your cider, the better off we will all be as people get interested in your cider. And they will ask what else do you have."

Contact: Swilled Dog Hard Cider

websitewww.swilleddog.com

telephone: 304-358-0604

Twitter: @SwilledDog

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/swilleddog/

Mentions in this chat

Michelle Sikes is the artist behind the label for Swilled Dog

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  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Aug 16, 2017

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If you missed part I of this chat (episode 90) with Eve’s Cidery, you’ll want to go back and listen as we tour the orchard with Autumn Stoscheck and Ezra Sherman and talk about where their ciders begin. In part II of this chat, we move down to the ciderhouse to talk about:

  • the champagne method
  • what it takes to run a small cidery
  • and Autumn shares some tips for home cidermakers.

Disgorgement is often regarded as an art. In removing the closure of a bottle, the pressure built up in the bottle pushes out the yeast that has settled at the top, but it also pushes out some cider. The art is in timing the turning upright of the bottle with the removal of the closure so that, as Ezra explains, the pressure can do its job removing the yeast, but gravity can act to keep the cider in the bottle. Obviously, the goal is to waste as little cider as possible and it takes practice to master this.

Thankfully, there is a video to show exactly how this is done to accompany Ezra’s explanation. Follow this link, where you’ll also have the opportunity to sign up to receive free shipping on orders from Eve’s for the month of August.

https://www.evescidery.com/ciderchat/

Of note, is Autumn’s analysis of the cider industry and the value of a bottle of cider produced using their methods. I think it speaks to the passion that most small cidermakers have about what they’re doing. They aren’t doing it for the money, that’s for sure. That point is often lost on the consumer who might balk at a $15-$20 bottle of cider. The equivalent methods used in winemaking in the production of high quality wines of place would fetch many times the price just by virtue of the fact that wine culture and the market is older and more developed.

 The cidermaking tips shared towards the end of this episode are really valuable and go beyond basic issues of making cider. It highlights the dynamic nature of cider microbiology and the techniques that can be used to maximize your cidermaking success. Some of them are:

  • Monitor your primary for off flavors and aromas
  • Aerate the must if you smell sulfur compounds
  • Once primary is finished, immediately chill the cider to limit microbial activity
  • Maturing cider on the lees (if they’re clean), stirring the lees acts as an antioxidant
  • Drink it! Don’t wait around for it to develop off flavors unless you think you have achieved microbiological stability in the bottle. Some things that help this happen is having very low levels of nutrients in the must, high acidity, low to no residual sugar, and higher alcohol content.

Bâtonnage defined is simply stirring the lees periodically. This technique can be used in cidermaking and is done after the initial vigorous fermentation is complete.

The lees is brown slurry that settles to the bottom of carboy, stainless steel tanks or barrels. It is comprised of dead yeast cells and heavy particles that were initially floating in the solution.

There are two different types of lees

Gross Lees - the first drop of heavy precipitants that float to the bottom.

Fine Lees - the slurry that can form on the bottom of your carboy after the first racking.

If you leave the lees on the bottom of your cidermaking vessels there is a risk of the lees consuming all the oxygen and causing hydrogen sulfide to form as the cider goes through the process of reduction. (Yes, lees consumes oxygen). The result can leave an off smell such as rotten eggs.

Contact Eve's Cidery

website: https://www.evescidery.com/

telephone607-229-0230

address:

308 Beckhorn Hollow Rd

Van Etten, NY 14889

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  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Company Monterey, Virginia
     
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Aug 9, 2017

Guest Podcaster and cidermaker, Alex Kroh, bring us into the orchard at Eve's Cidery. This episode 90 is Part 1 of a two-part show with  the makers at this New York State cidery! Find Part 2 when it goes live next week on episode 91.

Pulling up to Eve’s Cidery in the small town of Van Etten, NY, you would be forgiven for thinking your GPS is broken. There’s no indication you’re in the right place unless you happen to peer in through the barn door to spot some inconspicuous ferment ers back beyond the wooden apple bins. I don’t know what I was expecting. Perhaps because of the reputation Eve’s Cidery has for producing some of the finest ciders in the country, I thought their operation would be more… built up, perhaps. After spending a generous four hours touring through the orchard and ciderhouse, I realized that the humble infrastructure that supports Eve’s is secondary, or even inconsequential compared to the place, the apples and the people.

I see, now, that this is a reflection of the values and aspirations of Autumn Stoschek, co-founder of Eve’s cidery, and Ezra Sherman, a lawyer in his previous life, who would both rather spend all of their time growing apples and making cider than tending to the various other aspects of running a business. The ciderhouse is just enough to support that. For instance, there’s no tasting room at Eve’s. When we got the chance to taste through some of their amazing ciders, we sat on wooden crates on the concrete barn floor. Later I would learn from Autumn that the entire operation grew organically from year to year through the hard work and grit that must accompany any agricultural and small-business endeavor. “There was no million dollar investment.” In fact, the “seed money” to start Eve’s came from her saved tip money from waitressing.

There were other forces at work, too. A formative experience working at an idyllic organic Vermont farm at the age of 15, and later a job with James Cummins, co-founder of Eve’s and son of famous rootstock breeder Dr. Jim Cummins, and finally an article about Steve Wood’s cider apples (Farnum Hill Ciders and Poverty Lane Orchards, Episodes 32 and 33) in Fruit Growers News all convened in the life of 21 year old Autumn and compelled her to drive to Poverty Lane Orchards in New Hampshire to see it all for herself.

It was a risky move, dropping in on Steve Woods a busy orchardist and cidermaker, but one gets the feeling that he was more impressed than anything. He subsequently tasted Autumn through his catalog of ciders and sent her home with scionwood from his own trees. She grafted that budwood onto trees at James’ Littletree orchard and the next year planted more grafted trees on her father’s land before she had land of her own. Then began the life-long journey of learning to grow apples specifically for making cider.

Growing great fruit is the key to making great cider, and this is clearly the focus at Eve’s Albee Hill orchard, which we toured during our chat. There’s a way to do it that maximizes the juice qualities that contribute to flavor and complexity, and it tends to fly in the face of “conventional” modern apple growing. Instead, it turns out that these methods have a lot more in common with organic growing methods. Cider fruit doesn’t have the cosmetic standards that dessert fruit does and there’s an opportunity for cider apple growers to align their practices with a more ecologically responsible way growing.

 So how do you create the conditions that maximize the apple’s potential for making great cider? Briefly:

  • Create or utilize mineralized soils and maximize mineral accessibility to the tree’s root system through the use of deep-rooted companion crops, healthy soil microbes and mycorrhizal fungi (and don’t spray chemicals in the orchard that will kill these)
  • Encourage a healthy, functioning tree immune system that will produce secondary plant compounds, the phytochemicals that contribute to flavor, aroma, mouthfeel, etc… The trees need some pest and disease pressure, enough to keep the immune system active, not so much that the tree is stressed (again, fewer chemicals to spray)
  • Don’t over-irrigate - less water in the apple means a higher concentration of sugar, tannin and other phytochemicals

 Growing cider apples this way lends itself well to an experience of terroir in the glass, too. Of course, the cidermaking techniques employed are just as important. If you have too much residual sugar or cover up subtle flavors with additives or faults, you won’t likely get a hint of what terroir is contributing. In Part II (episode 91) of our chat, we discuss cidermaking techniques that transform great apples into great cider at Eve’s Cidery.

Eve's Cidery special August 2017 deal for Cider Chat listeners - free shipping on orders of Eve's Cider!

 Mentioned in Part I:

 Steve Wood, Farnum Hill Ciders and Poverty Lane Orchards - http://www.povertylaneorchards.com/

 Finger Lakes Fruit Geeks:

Garrett Miller and Melissa Madden of Finger Lakes Cider House/Kite and String Cider/Good Life Farm - www.fingerlakesciderhouse.com

 Eric Shatt Redbyrd Orchard Cider - https://redbyrdorchardcider.com/

 Mike Biltonen, Know Your Roots Consulting - http://knowyouroots.com/

Contact Eve's Cidery

website: https://www.evescidery.com/

telephone: 607-229-0230

address:

308 Beckhorn Hollow Rd

Van Etten, NY 14889

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Aug 2, 2017

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Barrel aging cider is as old as time. Considering that, one would think that it should be pretty straight forward to pour fresh pressed apple juice into a barrel and create a delicious end product.  Right? Wrong!

Barrels require preparation and maintenance to make sure that the end product is well balanced. In essence, you are not only managing the cider, but the wood too since both are alive with microorganisms.

In this chat we delve into reusing a barrel that was originally charred, then had whiskey added. Brooklyn Distillery the orginaial owner of the 25 gallon barrel sold it to Exhibit A Brewing Company. Matt Steinberg owner and brewer of Exhibit A put an Imperial Stout in the barrel.

I purchased the empty barrel from Matt for cider and share with you my long weekend of discovery on preparing the barrel for cider.

The goal is to keep the wood staves moist and swollen so once the cider is added it doesn't leak. In addition, funky bacterias like acetobacter and wild yeasts must be kept out so your barrel doesn't begin to smell like vinegar.

But How to Set up and Prepare a Used Barrel for Cider?

First a warning everyone should heed: If your barrel had spirits avoid using a sulfur stick as it can inflame the residual spirits and make that barrel explosive.

  • Some say add citric acid and SO2.
  • Matt said to rinse the barrel with warm water, empty it, and then wrap in in plastic wrap. I figured this would become an even more inviting environment for those funky bacterias that can really messed up your cider.

I decided to add water and SO2.

Fingers crossed, as I will be getting back to how the barrel rolls in follow up episodes of Cider Chat.

Cool words and Vocabulary you should know

Amphora - clay vessels used to hold wine. Made by potters and used by the Egyptions and Romans

Kveri - a larger version of the amphora that was placed in the ground and used to make wine. Listen to episode 011-Geoff Richardson | Castle Hill Cider, Virginia Castle Hill makes cider in their onsite Kveris! Too Cool!!!

Vinny Nail - Vinny Cilurzo of Russian River Brewing Company is the man behind the nail that brewers put into a barrel and use it to take samples.

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057 Eric Bordelet | Normandy, France Part 1

058 Eric Bordelet | Ancient Pears Chay Tour Part 2

087: Cyzer, Mead & Kombucha | ArtBev, MA With Garth Shandyfelt

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Jul 26, 2017

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Simple Cider's is located on the southern tip of Tasmania in a region dripping with Apple history. Tasmania was and is still called the Apple Isle making it the perfect place for makers like Patrick and the team at Simple Ciders to launch into the craft.

The cidery started commercially producing ciders in 2014. It is an orchard based cidery, meaning that the apples are grown right alongside the cider mill. Patrick worked as a system's analysis and then winemaker, after as he says jokingly that he was looking  "for a job that allowed me to get really messy, cold and wet on a regular basis. So I went into making wine and cider."

Simple Cider makes small batch, dry apple cider. The ciders are unfiltered and are naturally carbonated, meaning bottle conditioned. Right now they are making approximately 15,000 litres/year or nearly 4000 gallons.

Patrick says, "The fruit is the story" and after tasting both the Cox's Orange Pippin 7.5% alcohol by volume and the Granny Smith & Ginger 8% abv, I have to agree.

The ciders are delicate and dry..maybe even a bit semi dry...with just the right amount of carbonation.

Tasmania is making a slow comeback in growing cider apples, so makers are working with primarily culinary apples while planting cider varieties.

In this chat Patrick talks about the landscape of Tasmania, the cider scene, his ciders and the Wild Cherry,  which is fermented whole cherries using the carbonic maceration technique of fermenting the fruit with in this case pits and a full layer of CO2. This lends a fruity aroma and taste.

Main chat with Patrick begins at 19:56 minutes

Contact Simple Ciders

website: http://simplecider.com.au/our-story/

email: patrick@simplecider.com.au

Telephone: 0404 990 644

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Jul 19, 2017

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Three guys and an endless supply of credit cards helped build what is today called Artisan Beverage Cooperative (ARTBEV) in Greenfield, Massachusetts. General Manager and co founder Garth Shandyfelt provides an overview on how ARTBEV grew plus;

  • working in a cooperative
  • getting capital to expand via a  direct public offer of stock
  • what is mead
  • what is cyser
  • creating a sustainable model for growth

Started in 2010 making mead, ARTBEV's multi tiered business now produces a range of products to keep stock rolling out the door. Mead and Cyser, for instance, can take upwards to a year or longer to condition, whereas the Ginger Libation made by ARTBEV can be made in two weeks, much like beer.

What is Mead?

Fermented Water, Honey and Yeast or what Garth calls wine made with honey.

"It is a mead if you have more than 50% of your fermentable made with honey."

A Braggot is a beer made with honey and cider

What is Cyser or Cyzer (as ARTBEV calls it - go to 1 hour in on the podcast and find out why)

A cider made with some amount of cider during initial fermentation.

Some cider has honey added for sweetening, but may not be considered a cyser.

How much honey does ARTBEV use yearly?

  • Upwards to 6000 pounds of honey all delivered via 5 gallon buckets

How much honey do you need to make  a 5-gallon batch of mead?

You will need upwards to 12-15 pounds of honey for a 5 gallon batch.

Garth was inspired by Dan Conlon is a key figure in New England working with bees at Warm Colors Apiary.

Books mentioned by Garth in this chat

The Complete Mead Maker by Ken Schramm

2. Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers: The Secrets of Ancient Fermentation, by Stephen Harrod Buhner

Contact Artisan Beverage Cooperative

websitehttp://artbev.coop/

telephone: 413- 773-9700

email: info@artbev.coop

Address:

324 Wells Street

Greenfield, MA

In the same building as Franklin County Community Development Corp.

Tasting Room hours

Friday 4-7pm

Saturday 2-6pm

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  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
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Jul 12, 2017

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Cider presses have come in a number of different shapes and forms over the centuries. Listen to episode 78 with Oscar Busto and Mayador in Asturias. A Mayadar (usually a man) crushed apples with a long pole with a blunt end. It was hard laborious work.

The cider press itself might be huge and weigh a ton, such as the presses used at large cider mills where a pole the size of a tree would weigh done upon crushed apples that often would be held in a swath of straw.

Colonist in the New World used a flat stone that was grooved in a circle and fitted a basket. One end always had a spout for the apple juice to pour out.

The common way if you were lucky, was to have a basket press. Even today basket presses are used by both commercial and non commercial cidermakers.

Listen to episode 3 with Robert Colnes as he describes Building a Cider House and making a cloth and rack press.

Read about Worley Cider's blog on their new belt press and see their rack and cloth press.  Their new belt press can process 1.5 tons of apples/hour versus the rack and cloth press the moved through 3 tons of apple per day. Yes presses do evolve.

The maker of the belt press now being used by Worley cider is from Kreuzmayr

Suffice to say, cider presses have evolved over the years, but a tried an true method even today is a basket press.

I have been wanting a press of my own for years now and this week's chat is on an auction and a bid that sent me home with an 1890's cider press from Clark Cutaway Harrow - aka Higganum Manufacturing Company in Connecticut.

But before I was tipped off of on this auction taking place I was looking at making my own. Take a look at the two videos that follow to see just some of the ingenuity that folks are using to make cider. I'm still thinking about using this video below and trying to make this "apple masher" and press.

I hope you enjoy this chat as much as I enjoyed recording it and that it inspires you to not only drink cider, but perhaps try your hand at making cider. And if not that, at least have a deeper appreciation of  the inventors before our time who worked hard at building the perfect cider press. All the photos mentioned can be found via the shownotes for episode 86 on ciderchat.com

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  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
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Jul 5, 2017

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Attorney Lindsey Zahn specializes in wine law, but there is no denying that her interest in cider and the laws governing it commerce...and yes these there is a difference between wine and cider!

Her wine Blog On Reserve has been selected as on of the top 100 wine law blogs by the American Bar Association Journal. 

In this chat we discuss:

  • The differences between wine and cider.
  • Gray areas of cider law
  • What comes first the licensing, permitting or trademark of your new cidery?
  • Branding
  • Promotion
  • Certification of Label Approval (COLA)
  • Advertising
  • Social media and how they are subject to government regulation
  • 27 CFR part 4 which is the Labeling and advertising of wine from The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB)
  • Tide House and how it affects regulations on alcohol
  • And, what can Cidermakers do in regards to labeling vintage on their cider?

Contact Lindsey Zahn

email: lazahn@winelawonreserve.com.

On Reserve wine blog http://www.winelawonreserve.com/

The firm that Lindsey works for: Lehrman Beverage Law

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  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
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Jun 14, 2017

Charles McGonegal has been teaches a workshop on Sensory Analysis for cider judges, makers, enthusiasts and at both CiderCon (the United States Association o Cider Makers annual conference) and GLINTCAP (Great Lakes International Cider and Perry Competition.

Charles calls this workshop The Element of Cider.

It provides a vocabulary check or what he considers the basics of cider from the sensory and the chemical perspectives.

He had 10 flights at the Chicago CiderCon - where he changed just one thing in each glass of cider. He is asking people to define the taste of the cider.

Enjoy this chat and if you like this chat and I expect you will!

Listen to the previous episode #83 with Charles as he discusses both his cidery, AEppelTreow in Wisconsin and making perry!

Contact AEppelTreow

website: http://aeppeltreow.com/

telephone: (262) 878-5345

email: cider@appletrue.com

address:

1072 288th Ave

Burlington, WI 53105

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Charles McGonegal is full time cider geek who also happens to have a day job as a petro chemist. He and his wife Melissa founded AEppelTreow Winery in Wisconsin in 2001. Why AEppelTreow? Charles says, "I wanted a name that was a little pretentious and not French"

Charles has a particular fondness for Perry and has what he calls "the country's (US) only Poire collection (meaning perry pear trees)."

He spent years getting permission from the a USDA to plant imported perry pears. "I have what are suppose to be the top three Breton and top three Norman perry pears in a test orchard."

In this chat we find out more about AEppelTreow (pronounce Apple True) and get a bushel of tips on making perry.

The main chat with Charles begins at 7:48 minutes.

The specific chat on Perry begins at 38:20 minutes, with a mini intro by the Talking Pomes. A transcript of this section of the chat on perry making will be transcribed and posted to the Cider Chat Patreon page. Become a patron today and help keep this chat thriving.

"Perry is its own thing. It is mostly like making cider. There are a couple of quirks."

On storaging of perry during its fermentation and conditioning

  • have a good seal - Charles recommended even using electrical tap
  • never let it (the airlock) dry out
  • CO2 blanket it or use Aragon (because it settles more than CO2)
  • know the Ph of the perry and make the right adjustments

Smell every morning during the primary fermentation - when it begins to smell eggy add a 1/4 dose of fermaid  or diammonium phosphate (DAP)

Add a 1/4 at a time - helping to clear us the H2S in time

 

Contact AEppelTreow

website: http://aeppeltreow.com/

telephone: (262) 878-5345

email: cider@appletrue.com

address:

1072 288th Ave

Burlington, WI 53105

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  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
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