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Interviewing cidermakers importers, orchardists, foodies, farmers and cider enthusiasts around the world. Let’s delve into the semantics of cider…or is it hard cider, cidre, sidra or fermented apple juice? The truth is out there in Ciderville and we are going to find it. We toast in celebration of cider; As a libation, a gift from the gods, a taste of terroir, and a hard pressed good time. Ready to quench your thirst? Grab a glass and join this chat! See you in Ciderville!
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May 23, 2018

Carlo Hein has always loved cider. That cider love and perhaps his work in renovation and sustainable energy spurred him and his friends to start a cidery. Upon noticing the fallen fruit and neglected apples trees in his area of Luxembourg. He realized, “We need to save these orchards”

And so he did. Ramborn Cider Co began selling cider in 2015 and is Luxembourg's only cidery.

To make cider he first called Peter Mitchell, who is renown worldwide for his classes on cidermaking. Carlo asked Peter if he would help Ramborn. Peter replied that first you must take my course and then we will discuss making cider for Ramborn.

Today Peter Mitchel still consults to Ramborn Cider, which undeniably lends a good amount of UK profile to each of the ciders.

What is the traditional word for cider in Luxembourg?

  • Viez

Where did the name of the cidery come from?

Rambo is an apple known in France and Sweden and in Luxembourg. Like so many wonderful cider blends, Ramborn Cider Company is part Rambo apple and the town “Born”. Upon further research Carlo found that David Morrel the author of the book “First Blood” which inspired the movie Rambo was looking for a name for the main character protrayed by Slyvester Stallone in the movie.  Morrel's wife came in from the market and said why not use an apple name! The rest is history and all this goes to show you that once again the apple provides the bases for so many good stories throughout history.

With Ramborn being the only cidery in the country the support is massive from both the locals and the government.

Visting Ramborn

  • The 1781 barn at Ramborn is original.
  • The architecture is based upon the style that is classically Marie Thersea of Austria, the country that once ruled this area. There is a center square courtyard and the barn that housed a cidery and distillery has been turned into a cinema.

Taking a Tour of Ramborn

  • The tour is 1 1/2 hours long and includes a movie that you can hear a short clip of in this podcast.
  • The movie does play in different languages.
  • The tour brings you through the production area and the farm.
  • Ramborn Cider can accommodate up to 140 people per time.
  • There is also a walking tour through the time.
  • There is no tasting room, but upon request there is a dinning area that can be reserved for group dinners.

Ramborn Cider Company - Ciders

  • Original - flagship cider
  • Farmhouse
  • Somerset Blend
  • Perry
  • Avalon 2015
  • Hopped Cider Cascade
  • Erbachhofer - single Variety
  • Kingston Black - Single Variety

Contact for Ramborn Cider Company

Website: https://ramborn.com/en/about/

Telephone: +352 26 72 92 04
Address:

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

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May 16, 2018

Cider won big at the 23rd Annual Home-brew Competition held in Boston and put on by the Wort Processors - a home-brew club. Tom Bell’s New World Cider won both Best in Show for cider and placed 3rd in the Best Overall in Show. This means that Tom’s winning cider was placed in the final competition for Best Overall with 37 winning beers.

Best of Show Winners Circle

1st Maurice Dalton’s -  Gueze

2rd Matthew Border -  German Pils

3rd Tom Bell - New World Cider

4th Brett Smith : Chocolate Raspberry Milk Stout

Honorable Mention - Peter Bowers: Specialty Wood Aged

Tom’s cidermaking tools & techniques for this cider

  • A garbage disposal for grinding up apples
  • Added Pectin Aid
  • Macerated the pressed apples for 24 hours
  • Pressed in a basket press
  • Wild yeast - then EC118 for the bottle fermentation
  • Initial gravity: 1.064
  • Racked every 10 point drop in the gravity and to separate the cider from the lees
  • Everything was going great until a Pectic Haze showed up
  • For the haze Tom used Scott’s Lab Spectrum
  • It didn’t take care of the pectin on the bottom, but did clear the cider on the top of the pectic gel.
  • Bottle conditioned with 12 grams of dextrose

Here is the link to the crown cap conversation.

Many aspects of champagne style cider covered here including links to caps..

Contact for Wort Processor’s Home-brew Competition

Website: http://www.bhc.wort.org/

Annual Boston Home-brew Competition

Wort Processors

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GLINTCAP - Great Lakes International Cider and Perry Competition

Franklin County CiderDays 

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

May 9, 2018

Matt DeLong grew up making cider and what he once called “Apple Wine”. Western Michigan has what is known as the wine trail and there are lots of fruit wines, so it is no surprise that Matt first considered a career in the wine industry.

Things started to change around 2009 - 2010 when he noticed a whole lot of ciders in his area of west Michigan popping up.

He credits the support of his wife Valerie for helping him hone his vision and open Ridge Cider Company in 2014. The cidery is based in the town of Grant, Michigan in a building that was once used to process onions.

Time Line of change for Ridge CiderCo - to Ride Cider LLC

  • Matt teamed up with Bruce Rasch in 2014, one of the largest apple growers in the same region
  • Matt began selling cider commercially in 2015.
  • Not discussed in this chat is that Ridge Cider Co. sold its majority share to RC Investors, in April of 2017. RC is an investment firm owned by Dick Devos, husband of Betty Devos - the current U.S. Education Secretary in the Trump Administration.

In this chat we discuss 3 Ridge Ciders -

  • Porch Sittin - notes of vanilla and cinnamon - this is the flagship
  • Raspberry -
  • Hopped

Now in Cans

  • Porch Sittin
  • Berries
  • Hopped

Matt uses an accordion press - or squeeze box that he bought used from a cider house in Maryland, back in 2014.

What would Matt have done differently

  • More definitive plans
  • And know who will be your targeted customers

Contact info Ridge Cider

Website: http://www.ridgecider.com/about/

email: ridgecider@gmail.com

Telephone: (231) 674-2040

Address: smack in the middle of Grant, Michigan

Ridge Cider social media:

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Cider Chat Live episode 1 :Boston Judging Best in Show Competition https://anchor.fm/ciderchat/episodes/BOSTON--Judging-Best-In-Show-Cider-e1e4hf.

  • Winners of the 23rd Annual Boston Hombrew Competion - A New World Cider won Best in Show for Ciders. This cider moved onto the Best in Show for the entire competition and was awarded 3rd place. First and Second place went to beers.
  • Listen to episode 128 next week and hear Tom Bell telling us how he made his award winning cider that captured Best in Show.

Upcoming Competions

Upcoming Festivals

Michigan Cider Week - Cider Chat will be at the Gillette Bride Cider Fest on May 19th - 1-5pm

June 9, 2018 The Pressed Fest begins at 2pm - 6pm in Longmont, Colorado

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

May 2, 2018

Little Pomona’s makers, Susanna and James Forbes have a long history with libations. James worked as a wine buyer and marketer, while Susanna who started in physics became one of the UK’s leading libation writers. Do check out her website and blog Drink Britain, it will be time well spent.

Listen to this chat with Susanna and James as they tell their tale of moving out of city and into the country to begin selling Little Pomona commercially in 2015.

The orchard is located in Herefordshire, in the town of Bromyard.

Little Pomona Ciders

There is no doubt that these ciders are stepping out! Read: not your typical UK cider.

James’ background in wine is certainly influencing the profile of each cider produced. If ever there was a cider that would be worthy of buying one now to drink and 5 more to cellar, Little Pomona is the cidery to choose.

Delicate, yet bold, each cider that I tasted during this chat was complex, tannic and not your typical UK cider.

Little Pomona Ciders coming up for 2018

  • Old Man and The Bees - 7.5% wild yeast cider
    • Dabinet
    • Harry Masters Jersey
    • Foxswhelp
    • Ellis bitter
  • The Unicorn - a spontaneous keeved cider
    • We “Shaked it to wake it” and then drank it in this chat! Lovely
  • Art of Darkness (2015)
  • Being released at the London Wine Fair on the 22nd of May 2018 go to (stand DB15) and find C’est Si Bon Bonnes (2016), a single barrel bottling
  • In July 2018 look for Perry Comma, a single barrel bottling in Pet Nat style form the 2017 vintage. The fruit came from a very ancient orchard close to Dymock in Gloucestershire.
  • In August, look for another Pet Nat with a blend of Dabinett (95%) and Ellis Bitter (5%) from the 2017 harvest, called For Those About to Rack.

Contact Felix at the Fine Cider Company distributes Little Pomona ciders in the UK.

Contact Little Pomona

Website: http://www.littlepomona.com/

Telephone: +44 1885 410645

Email: mailto:enquiries@littlepomona.com

Address:

  • Thornbury, Bromyard
  • HR7 4NJ, UK

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

Apr 25, 2018

Paul Vander Heide opened Vander Mill a cidery based in Spring Lake Michigan in 2008. Some might think that 3000 square feet is a good size for a start up cidery and they would be right. But as Paul reminisces in this chat, they had to expand quickly when they had to move outdoors to continue production.

In 2016, a new location was open in Grand Rapids. Both locations have a Tap Room and Restaurant.

Vander Mill makes both modern ciders and Heritage ciders.

Go to 31:57 in the podcast to hear Paul discuss the question of what is a Heritage apple in the US.

At CiderCon2018 Paul was elected as the new President of the United States Association of Cider Makers.  He is very optimistic about cider in America and speaks about embracing the diversity of makers in the US, which range from traditional, modern to a blend of both.

For Vander Mill the consumers informed this maker on the styles that they make, says Paul “ It was the consumer that drove our business into a wide range of styles for Vander Mill. The cidery makes both Heritage and Modern ciders.

And while the cider drinker’s palate slowly changes towards more subtle notes, Paul is not waiting on planting cider apple varieties. He credits Vander Mill’s partnership with a local grower who has put in a large block of cider apples for making the future look quite bright….or…er…full bodied and tannic. :)

Find Vander Mill ciders, distributed in:

  • Michigan
  • Wisconsin
  • Ohio
  • Indiana
  • Illinois

Draft accounts throughout Michigan and Chicago with a sprinkling of draft accounts throughout the other states

Contact Vander Mill

Spring Lake location

  • Telephone: 616-842-4337
  • Address for Tap Room & Restaurant
    • 14921 Cleveland Street Spring Lake
    • Michigan, 49456
      • Hours:
        • Sunday Brunch 10-2pm
        • Wed & Thurs 2-9pm
        • Fri 2-10pm
        • Sat 11-10pm
          • 2-4pm snacks, 4pm dinner starts

Grand Rapids Tap Room, Restaurant & Production

  • Telephone: 616-259-8828
  • Address for Tap Room & Restaurant
    • 505 Ball Ave NE
    • Grand Rapids, MI 49503
      • Hours:
        • Sunday Brunch 9am-3pm
        • Mon-Thurs 11am-11pm
        • Fri-Sat 11am-12am

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6-degrees of Cider - share the news on the Totally Cider Tour headed to Normandy France September 23-29, 2018

Allan Hyland maker at Door Peninsula Winery who sent a box of 3 ciders to Ria.

  • Mimosa
  • Modern
  • Heritage

Virtue Cider - view the unboxing of the Rosé ciders sent to Ria.

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

 

Apr 18, 2018

Kirk Billingsley has been charmed by cider ever since he was a kid. Coming home from school he fondly remembers being mentored by his dad who had a barrel of sweet cider (non fermented apple juice) outside the family’s home in the same county of Highland where he still lives today. In 2015 he opened Big Fish Cider Company after making cider non commercially for 25 years in his home.

This chat was recorded at CiderCon2018. Sarah Collins Simmons who works with Kirk also joined us and offered a great perspective on the orchard care of all the trees helping Big Fish make such delicious cider.

Big Fish Apples

Varieties at the main apple orchard

  • Golden Russet
  • Northern Spy
  • Jonagold
  • Ashmead Kernel
  • Dolgo crab apples

In total Big Fish has around 300 trees to pick from. Most, if not all, are heritage trees that were planted over a 100 years ago on farmland that was long forgotten.

  • On any given day they are pressing 250 gallons of cider.

Cidermaking technique used at Big Fish: Slow & cold ferment

With an occasional bit of back sweetening because the apples are so acid (sweet helps to balance out the acid)

Use small 2000 liter and 1000 liter tanks and Oxygen barrier IBC

Big Fish has a Tasting Room

  • The room is currently 400 square feet and has 3 tables and 12 chairs
  • This year they are expanding the Tasting Room…maybe there will be 6 tables and 24 chairs.
  • Kirk bought the building a while back. It was built in 1920 and built with wood called Wormy Chestnut

Kirk’s Cidermaking Tip:

  • Experiment with yeast
  • Look at areas of the world that like the style of cider that you do.

Contact for Big Fish Cider Company

  • Website: http://www.bigfishcider.com/
  • eMail: info@bigfishcider.com
  • Telephone: 540-468-2322
  • Address
    • 59 Spruce Street
    • Monterey, VA  24465

Where to stay when visiting Big Fish Cider Co?

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

Apr 11, 2018

Poiré Fermier is French for Perry Farmer, which is only part of the story for the featured guest in this episode 123. Cidermaker Philippe and wife Marie-Claire Derouault also manage a herd of dairy cows who graze and laze among orchards of apples and pears on their 120 hectares (297 acres) situated in Loré, France.

There are 14 Poiré producers in this region of southern Normandy and the Perry they make is known as Poiré Domfront.

Here Calvados is made with a base of Poiré rather than cider. The standard is to have up to 70% Poiré in this region's Calvados which has the following appellations

  • an AOC or Appellation d’Origine Contrôlée (since 2002),
  • an AOP(*) or Appellation d’Origine Protégée, is equivalent to the AOC in Europe (since 2006).

Pears used in this region Normandy

  • Plant de Blanc - up to 40% of the juice for Poiré must come from this pear.
  • Rouge Vigné
  • Gros Blot
  • Plant Roux
  • De Cloche
  • Gaubert

Here the pear trees are hundreds of years old. Notably, Pear trees were already growing in Normandy in the 11th century, before the cider apples arrived via Northern Spain.

Come explore this region of France, meet the maker and drink Poiré and Cidre with Cider Chat Host Ria Windcaller via the Totally Cider Tour to Normandy September 23-29, 2018.

Philippe and Marie-Claire's farm "Earl du Bois" is on the tour!

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Cider Festivals

Cider Competitions

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

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Apr 4, 2018

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Cider enthusiast Michel Dargent hosted  Ria at his home in September 2017. Monsieur Dargent is a cider aficionado, making the two night stay at his gîte (bed & breakfast) the perfect stop on Ria’s cider tour of Normandy.

Listen in on this intimate conversation as we discuss the ancient pear trees in the Domfront region, blood sausage and a very special cidermaker.

Monsieur Dargent made the evening dinner with all local products from a nearby farm and served each dish with a cider (cidre) and perry (poiré).

Régis Angot, the maker, will be one of the stops on the upcoming Totally Cider Tour to Normandy September 23 -29, 2018. Click here to for reservations.

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Mar 28, 2018

Tieton Cider Works was founded by Marcus Roberts and is based in Yakima Washington. Tieton works with Harmony Orchards which has 55 acres of cider apples and perry pears.

Marcus who takes a scientific approach to making cider and perry, is the General Manager of Tieton Cider Works overseeing both a modern and traditional approach to cider making.

In this chat Marcus shares how Tieton using the technique called keeving to make Perry.

Tieton Cider Works, WA

Why make Keeved Cider or Perry?

Keeving provide a sweet profile without needing to add sugar (back sweetening) when bottling.

Growing Perry Pears

Tieton has eight different varieties of Perry Pears and uses a trellis system for the pear trees. Marcus is testing the old adage “growing pears for your heirs” finding that by using a trellis system for growing in 4 years, the trees grew 12 feet!

Tieton plants trees 12 feet across and 5 feet between trees - a 12 x 5 trellis system

The limbs are trained down the wire on the trellis system.

Picking Perry Pears

Color pick the pears.

  • Pick when green- which Marcus says they develop more aroma when stored.
  • Versus picking it “dead ripe” on the tree.
  • Marcus monitors the pear to see if the pear turning yellow on the outside.
  • Once ripe, they must be pressed within 24 hours to avoid the pears turning to mush.

Tieton Perry Making methods

  • Macerate over the course of 24 hours - for the tannin structure.
  • Leaves the pulp on the juice.

Marcus says, “Some of the tannins are solvable. By leaving tannins on the juice during the process of Maceration the tannins become more supple. This is what we are going for.”

Once done, Tieton then goes through the keeving process with the perry.

Managing citric acid when making perry.

  • Manage the bacterias that produce acetic bacteria by temperature control.
  • Tieton manages it by temperature control. around 34 degrees Fahrenheit.
  • It took 5 months to drop 5 brixs at that temperature.
  • When it the peak time to drink a high tannin Perry.
  • Tannin helps the perry or cider age very slowly can cellar for a longer time and will have the tendency to get better over time.

Contact Tieton Cider Works

Mentions in this Chat

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

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Mar 21, 2018

Noble Cider in Asheville, North Carolina opened in 2013 after Trevor Baker lost his job in online retail. He wasn’t a cidermaker at the time, but he and his wife Joanna both enjoyed drinking cider.

After taking a cidermaking course with Peter Mitchell at WSU Mount Vernon, he delved straightaway into getting his own commercial cidery with his wife and business partner Lief Stevens.

Noble was started with around 17 grand! Having a “good business plan with a good business model” says Trevor, “Helped us secure an economic development loan of $40,000."

Before Noble became fully permitted they juiced apples and froze them in IBC totes, which are large plastic containers used throughout Ciderville around the globe for making cider.

The Tasting Room and production facility is a little outside of downtown Asheville, but this summer there will be a brand new Tasting Room right in the heart of the city.

  • Expect 20 taps that include 6 beers and seasonal small batch ciders at the current location
  • Noble makes both modern ciders and traditional ciders.
  • Both can be enjoyed in the Tasting Room and be bought in bottles to go.

The modern cider made year round at Noble

  • The flagship cider is a called The Standard Bearer. It is a crisp, dry cider at 6.9%
  • Village Tart - Cherry Cider
  • Spice Merchant - Chai Cider
  • Golden Arrow - Ginger Cider
  • There is a spring seasonal Blueberry with honey and rosemary

In 2017 the Noble Team began planting heirloom trees - Harrison, Wickson, Roxbury Russets and others

Annual production is around 100,000 gallons a year, up from 2000 gallons the first year.

Contact Noble Cider

Website: www.NobleCider.com

Phone number: 828-575-9622

Address

356 New Leicester Highway

Asheville, NC 28806

Mentions in this Chat

  • Spoke + Spy - Middletown, Connecticut cidery with Ron and Kimberly Sansome
  • Ciderthon - April 29th in the UK - a run that includes drinking cider along the way
  • Totally Cider Tours: Normandy September 23-29, 2018

Normand Cows - totally cider

 

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

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Mar 14, 2018

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Prevention & Correction of Sulfur-Off Odors in Cider Production was presented by Rebecca deKramer, cider specialist at Scott Laboratories at CiderCon2018.

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This chat begins at approximately 9 minutes in.

Rebecca presents on the following topics

  • Defining Sulfur-Off Odors
  • Causes of Sulfur-Off Odors
  • Methodologies for preventing Sulfur-Off Odor formation
  • Methodologies for correcting Sulfur-Off Odors
  • What kind of strains of yeast to use
  • Temperature for fermentation
  • How much yeast to use?

Chemical Elements impacting cider

  • Sulfur - H2S (hydrogen sulfur)
  • mercaptans from by the break down of certain amino acids
    • if they oxidize, Dimethyl sulfide (DMS) or methylthiomethane is an organosulfur compound with the formula (CH3)2S can be produced. DMS is aromatic and can not easily be removed by copper - Rebekka speaks on the use of copper to remove specific odors

The first thing to do for off odor - sulfur

  • aireate
    • the most simplest technique to control off odors?
      • Rack cider off of the gross lees
  • If at the end of fermentation the cider is producing off odors, "simply stirring the gross lees into solution can help."

Most common factor contributing to sulfur off odors?

  • the yeast being stressed

Rebekka's recommendation - "Have happy yeast. If you have happy yeast, you will have a good fermentation. If you have unhappy yeast they will make your life hell."

  • Orchards that use a sulfur based spray for orchard control. Depending upon the timing of the spray it could leave residual copper on the apple, that can affect the cider.

Additional cider and cider yeast considerations

  • The more clarified or concentrated the juice will affect the fermentation as it will have less nutrients for the yeast.
  • Canning cider can make cider suspectible to oxygen

as can some screws caps

24:16 - Fermentation

Indigenous Fermentations or using wild yeast. Rebekka recommends management via nutrient control, because you do not know what yeast is in the driver seat. "It is a leap of faith"

Commercial Pitch - there are numerous options, but make sure to follow the manufacturer's recommendations.

  • If you have no temperature control for fermentation, avoid yeast that require temperature control.
  • Do not under inoculate.  The chances are high that you will have a stressed yeast if you do not follow the manufacturer's recommendations.
  • rehydrate dry yeast before pitching - to nurture a happy yeast environment

Treat as soon as you start smelling an off flavor

Use the Penny Test for finding H2S.

Drop a 1984 or earlier penny into a glass of cider and see if it removes the H2S.

will H2s or a mercaptan

It responds instantly.

If it doesn't respond Rebekka says that the cider is likely in a desulfite form treat with asorbic acid to reduce

Make sure it is a penny that is as old as 19

Contact Scott Laboratories

Mentions in this Chat

Ask for the following cideries and businesses- By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

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Mar 7, 2018

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Cider pairs well with food, especially Ethiopian dishes that have spicy overtones.

In this chat, Phillip Kelm and I were both attending CiderCon2018 in Baltimore thus the opportunity to dine at Ebenezer’s Ethiopian Restaurant and chat cider.

This restaurant was chosen because it offered a Bring Your Own Bottle (BYOB) option. I wanted to be able to try Phillip’s bottle of Entropy while dining.

Phillip begins with a pour of the “wild ferment” Entrophy.

We delve into his early beginnings in fermentation science... He started fermenting when he was 16 saying, “I couldn’t buy beer, but could buy a beer kit.” .. something that Phillip learned in Mother Earth News.

He became a mechanical engineer and first worked in the nuclear industry before moving onto brewing.

For most of his career he has been setting up brewing systems around the world via his business Gitche Gumee Brewing Services, a worldwide brewery installation & engineering business.

He also manages the Palau Brewing Company, home of Red Rooster Beers. Currently he is working on a cidery in India and is a partner at the South Korean cidery, The Hand and Apple.

Our dinner was primarily focused around his cidery based in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula called Gitche Gumee Ciderworks, where he makes what he called “feral ciders”.

 Apples used at Gitche Gumee

  • Foragers bring the apples to the cidery and Phillip in turns produces cider.
  • He pays .20/pound of apples. They are collecting apples by the ton.

Says Phillip, “There is no [apple] pedigree - they are wild chance seedlings.”

Cidermaking technique used for the Entropy

  • no sulfites
  • no water
  • no yeast
  • no sugar
  • Using French oak barrels.
  • The cider is left to do its own thing in the right environment.

Additional cider making notes

  • Select only the best fruit
  • Only the best skin
  • No maceration
  • Rack over the lees
  • By February the cider is out of stainless after it has been racked off the lees at least 2 times already
  • Leave the yeast behind to starve.

Managing Wild Fermentation

  • Make sure that the fruit is “solid and ripe”
  • Apples are matured for at least a few days or a week

Contact Gitche Gumee Ciderworks

Website: http://www.gitchegumeeciderworks.com/

Address:

  • 350 N Lincoln Drive
  • Hancock, MI 49930

Mentions in this chat

Threadbare Cider and Mead

Totally Cider Tour: Normandy - September 23 - 29, 2018 contact ria@ciderchat. com to reserve your space on this upcoming trip.

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg s
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103

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Feb 28, 2018

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In 2000 Rob Miller and his family moved to Frederick County, Maryland after having bought the property that is now called Distillery Lane Ciderworks via an auction. With cider on their mind they immediately got to work creating an 11 acre orchard by planting apple trees

In 2010, Distillery Lane Ciderworks began selling "hard cider" commercially.

Some of the varieties found in the orchard.

  • Tremlett's Bitter
  • Bulmers Norman
  • Porters Perfection
  • Kingston Black

Visiting Distillery Lane Ciderworks

  • This cidery does offer tours.
  • Golf flags are set up throughout the orchard where you can stop and read about apple and cidermaking.
  • Stop in an shop - there is a cider store where you can try samples of nearly all the ciders made.

Where to find/buy Distillery Lane ciders?

  • Baltimore and DC
  • Virgnina
  • West Virginia
  • Pennsylvania

Tour the orchards and stop at any one of the "golf course" flags that have fun apple facts and geology info at each stop

Contact for Distillery Lane Ciderworks

Website: www.distillerylaneciderworks.com 

Address:

  • 5533 Gapland Road
  • Jefferson, MD 21755

Telephone: 214-683-7052

Mentions in this chat

  • DayCider in British Columbia - 120 year old pear orchard covering 85 acres.
    • Follow on Instagram @daycider
  • Fenceline Cider
    • 141 South Main Street, Unit C, Mancos, Colorado
    • website http://fencelinecider.com/
  • Urban Tree Cidery
    • 1465 Howell Mill Rd NW, Ste 100 Atlanta GA 30318
    • website: http://urbantreecidery.com/

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103

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Feb 14, 2018

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Rick Moreno opened the doors of Newtopia Cyder in San Diego County California in January 2017. He comes into the trade as an entrepreneur and owner of Tornado Seattle, a bar with a craft beer and spirits focus, also serving cider and food.

Say’s Rick of his new venture with Newtopia Cyder that is both a cidery with Tastig Room, we are “making our own new American style”.

He takes an engaging approach to educating and meeting the San Diego beer palate by having a set standard flight of ciders called “Four Core”

Rick says, “I created a Four Core (flight of ciders) that hits every part of your palate. We use old world wine processes and blend them with new world beer ingredients”

One side of the cidery is flanked with stainless steel tanks for making modern ciders. This variety can be made in 4-6 weeks and usually have a fruit or flavored component. The wall on the other side of the cidery has oak barrels stacked and filled with what Rick calls “Old World Heritage Cider”. The Tasting room has ample seating both indoors and outdoors.

The taps were purposely design to be a bit high to facilitate a long pour as one would do when pouring sidra.

Take home a can or crawler of cider of any of the Four Core Ciders.

Join the Member Club and have access to all of the ciders being poured as a take home option.

What to look forward to in the coming year from Newtopia Cyder?

  • Distilling an Apple Jack Brandy in March 2019.
  • Expansion into a 4000 square foot building area next door with a meat and cheese parlor too.
  • There are 10 acres not on site but not too far away that is being used to grow cider apples. This location will be used as a destination site for weddings and events.

Rick calls the growing Newtopia scene “a compound”. The feel though industrial is warm and engaging. Exactly what cider fans want in their cider compound.

The logistics low down on Newtopia Cyder

  • Newtopia is Open 7 days a week.
    • Monday-Wednesday 3 PM - 9 PM
    • Thursday-Friday 12 PM - 10 PM
    • Saturday 11 AM - 10 PM
    • Sunday 11 AM - 9 PM
  • 12-15 minute ride from San Diego Airport.
  • Of note: the road that Newtopia is on also has 56 breweries on that same road! Yes there is room for cider!

Contact info for Newtopia Cyder

Mentions in this chat

1. Rack over cider now. If you made cider in the fall and it has gone through primary fermentation any lees that has dropped to the bottom of the carboy will begin to affect the cider by creating off odors and flavors.

2. Place orders now for fruit trees, root stock, and scion wood for Spring plantings and grafting.

Sources:

Cummins Nursery I am going in on an order w/friend of Ciderville Joby and William. We are ordering a pear rootstock from Cummins Nursery. Stay posted!

Fedco - a great resource. The catalogues are beautiful.

Fedco’s Tree catalogue and also their Seed catalogue is like reading a piece of art. The discount deadline for orders has passed. But you can still place orders until March 9th, except for scion wood.

John Bunker who was on both episode 16 - where we talk generally about the trees in the US and episode 28 where he provides great insight on tree identification, is definitely worth a listen

Colin Scott of E & J Scott Orchard sells saplings of Apple varieties such as Northern Spy and Redfield, plus more. He is located in western Massachusetts in the town of Buckland. Listen to his episode 93 on Orchard Care and Apple Storage. You will find his contact info on the show notes.

If you have a good resource of for fruit trees and root stock out there in Ciderville send me ria@ciderchat.com and I will share that good news.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103

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Feb 7, 2018

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Baltimore Speaks Cider recaps this podcaster's travel to CiderCon, while at CiderCon and the trip home from CiderCon.

I left on Sunday (Day 1) traveling as far as Bethlehem PA. The next day Monday (Day 2) I was set to meet with Joe Getz of Kurant Cider at the Free Will Brewing Company in Perkasie PA. Joe and I sipped on cider and visited the barrel room.

From Kurant, I headed straight to Frederick Maryland. That evening I was pulled over by Officer Kind. A fun little story - that I will save for you to listen to in the podcast.

Day 3 - I headed to Distillery Land CiderWorks - to record a podcast and also had a chance to see Chuck Shelton of Albemarle CiderWorks in Virginia.

After lunch I headed into Baltimore for CiderCon and got ready for that night's dinner recording with Phillip Kelm of Gitche Gumee CiderWorks in Michigan. We went to a BYOB restaurant called Ebenezer's Ethiopian Restaurant. Great food and kind people.

Day 3 I had an early morning chat (8:45 am) with Trevor Baker of Noble Cider in Asheville North Carolina. And then a recording with Marcus Robert of Tieton Ciderworks, Washington.

That evening I met up with Kirk Billingsley for a chat on his cidery Big Fish Cider Company in Virginia.

Day 4 - Thursday was the opening day at CiderCon- Danny Brager of Nielsen did an overview of the cider market. You can go to this YouTube link to listen to last year's presentation on this topic. Then it was time to record with Paul Vander Heide of Vander Mill a cidery in Michigan.

Lunch I was again recording, this time with Dan Brown of Cyder Market LLC. Both Danny and Dan's presentations will be posted on Cider Chat's YouTube channel.

After lunch I recorded and videotaped John Edwards presentation on Chemical Fingerprints of Cider. Very fascinating.

I next ran to Rebbeka deKramer of Scott Lab's presentation on Off Odors in Cider. Again this will be posted on the Cider Chat's YouTube channel.

Next I had a chat with Matt DeLong of Ridge Cider in Michigan. And then had dinner with Carlo Hein of Ramborn Cider Company in Luxembourg.

Day 4 (Friday) I met and recorded with Alex Peckham of Peckham's Cider in New Zealand. That afternoon I recording with James and Susanna Forbes of Little Pomona Cidery & Orchard in the UK.

Friday evening I went to Pour the Core- Baltimore to record mini chats with cider fans - all of which are posted in this episode

Saturday it was time to head home, but as I was traveling with the Talking Pommes we had to make a stop along the way at Perryville Maryland. Perry Pear was both emotional and ecstatic. You can hear the Talking Pommes recap at the end of this podcast.

I had mini chats with the following cideries and their makers while at CiderCon

Heartwood Farm and Cidery in Canada

Tod Creek Craft Cider in British Columbia

Bryant Cider, Virginia

Liquid Alchemy Beverages, Deleware

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

 

 

 

Jan 31, 2018

Lee Reeve arrived in Japan in 2003 as an artist from the United Kingdom Today in Yokohama, he is still crafting his magician skills, but his love of cider has led him into Japan’s growing cider market.

We chat on the current pulse of cider in the country and what Lee is doing to help inspire cider  makers and consumers alike. And:

  • What kind of apples are used in Japan to make cider and is this changing.
  • French vs English cider
  • Cider events in Japan

Lee sees that cider being package in primarily large bottles 750ML as a deterrent to the general public at large not reaching for cider when it is only packaged in large bottles

And, the world “cider” in Japan usually refers to a carbonated alcopop versions of cider. Yet, there are many French cidres (the Japanese do use this kind of spelling widely for cider) available, but as mentioned, Lee being from Scotland means he obviously has a hankering for ciders styles that harken back to his homeland.

All this cider love lead Lee to meeting Clive Poole the owner of the Full Monty British Pub and Cider House with 7 draft lines of cider and over 80 bottle option too! Lee and Clive created a working relationship where Lee would write about the cider at the Full Monty and in turn get cider. Along with Kai, Clive’s wife, these three entrepreneurs founded the World Cider Experience and now have the magazine InCiderJapan.

What is InCiderJapan?

  • - a media, promotion, consulting company
  • - also an importing and retailing cider related good and merchandise.
  • - InCiderJapan is a quarterly magazine with the first edition being this winter’s edition of InCiderJapan.

The goal of InCiderJapan magazine is three fold

  • to be educational and informative for the public
  • to provide a platform to Japanese makers
  • to provide the world with a insider’s view of the Japanese cider market

Contact for Lee Reeve

eMail: mailto:contact@worldciderexperience.com 

Website: inCiderJapan

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/inciderjapan

Instagram: @inciderjapan

Full Monty British Pub and Cider House

http://fullmontyyokohama.com/

 Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Jan 24, 2018

Jake Mann’s family legacy goes back to the early days of the Apple growing in the California. His parent’s ranch Five Mile Orchard is a locally known historical location, where his great, great grandfather Sam L. Mann settled and built the apple storage facility and orchard in the early 1920’s.

The family ranch is located five miles north of the city of Watsonville, thus the name, “Five Mile Orchard”. 17 varieties of apples are grown with the majority being Newtown Pippin. The Gravenstein apple is the first variety on the market in late July, followed by Gala, Golden, Red Delicious, Winter Banana, Bellefleur, Mutsu, Empire, Granny Smith and the Newtown Pippin.

In this chat we tour the Apple Storage facility at Sam L Mann Co and ride out into the orchard.

Sam L Mann Co provides apples to the following cideries.

Contact info for Jake Mann

  • 2930 Freedom Boulevard
  • Watsonville, California 95078
  • +001- 800-643-2462

Instagram: @thefivemileorchard

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albemarle CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Jan 17, 2018

Yes, Maryland's Got Pommes and there is going to be some big time cider fun at CiderCon2018 in Baltimore! January 31- February 2, 2018.

But first a reminder on: The $900 Price Drop for the Totally Cider Tour to the UK in April 25 - May 2, 2018. Join Ria and other awesome cider friends on this tour of a life time. Go to https://form.jotform.com/73186243884970 and register now!


And overview of Maryland's Pomme History

Pear Pear chats "Perryville, Maryland" established 1620 and the origin of the surname Perry. PerryPear believes that it comes from the Middle English word 'perrie' which means  pear tree.

And did you know that there is a town called Hereford, Maryland to the north west of Baltimore?

Lord Baltimore aka Cecil Calvert is referenced in Raphael Semmes book "Crimes and Punishment of Maryland" he told colonist coming to bring: kernels of apples and pears….

Who is attending CiderCon?

The following cider folk are just a few of the awesome people attending

  • Tom Oliver
  • Gabe Cook, Ciderologist
  • Susanna Forbes and James Forbes of Little Pomona Cider, UK
  • Alex Peckham, Peckham Cider New Zealand
  • Josh Townsend and Jody Scott, New Zealand
  • Hamish
  • Episode 20: Curt Sherrer, Millstone Cellars, MD
  • Distillery Lane Cideworks, MD
  • Brian Rutzen, Jackson Cannon, Fritz, Chef
  • Quantitative Chemical Fingerprints: John Edwards
  • Nutrients Additions or Subtractions and What Happens with Both - Willam Grote, Holly Schmidt, Doug Schmidt and Nathan Williams

Getting to CiderCon from the Airport

LYFT: put in the promo code LyftCiderChat for your first ride on this ride share and receive $5 off your ride.

Here are some estimates of the cost for this trip from the airport to the hotel

  • Lyft: $20-29
  • Lyft Plus: $30-40
  • Lyft Premier: $37-49
  • Lyft Lux: $57-70
  • Lyft Lux Suv: $71-85

Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport

(BWI) to the Baltimore Marriott Waterfront

BWI to Marriott Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport

12- before 1

6 min walk to the BWI Airport LT Rail

28 min ride - 11 stops.

Get off at Pratt St Light Rail station

walk 1 minute to Howard STreet

And take a Bus on the OrangeLine to Harbor East.

this is an 8 minutes route with 6 stops until you reach the section of Baltimore called Little Italy. Get off and walk throughout Little Italy for 4 minutes to the hotel.

Approximately a 50 min ride

$1.60 both ways

Food options close by Hotel?

What is that monument in the round about by the hotel?

National Katyn Memorial

Cider Week Baltimore

Heavy Seas Ale House tap Takeover - 9 minute walk from Hotel

1300 Bank Street

Baltimore, MD 21231

410-522-0850

Tap Takeover at Max's - 11 minute walk from Hotel

Address 737 S. Broadway, Baltimore

Wondering what the scene is like at Max's? There is a webcam; http://www.maxs.com/webcams.phpPhone: (410) 675-6297

February 11, 2018 - New York International Beer Competition (NYIBC) is accepting cider entries NOW! NYIBC is using the United States Association of Cider Makers new cider categories for this competition. The judges at this competition are in the trade of buying and selling cider and thus judge the cider on the merits of taste and price point.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Jan 10, 2018

Budgeting money effectively is critical whether you are managing a household or a commercial business such as a cidery. In this episode of Cider Chat I speak with Eleanor Leger of Eden Specialty Cider based Vermont now in it’s 10th year of business.

Two years ago, she started a blog call Cidernomics.com.

In this chat we get a sneak peek into her 2018 CiderCon on this very topic on the economics of cider and get some real time tips.

The 5 concepts to consider in Cidernomics.

  1. Economies of scale
  2. The break even point ...and how that changes as you grow
  3. Asset utilization
  4. Working capital requirements
  5. Sales channel economics

What is one the key questions to consider when thinking about a cidery startup?

- Are you going to make cider like beer is produced with a quick turn around or more as a winemaker would producing for a vintage longer term.

Contact for Eden Specialty Ciders

Website: https://www.edenciders.com/

email: mailto:CONTACT@EDENICECIDER.COM

Telephone: +1.802.334.1808

Address: 150 MAIN STREET, NEWPORT VERMONT 05855

Mentions in this Chat

• What is Biodynamic?

As Eleanor puts it “Growing a strong fighting tree. Making our own compost and compost teas that we spray on the trees.”

Find out more on biodynamic farming vhttps://www.biodynamics.com/what-is-biodynamicsia this link.

Scott Farm Orchard

• Autumn Stoscheck Eve’s Cidery listen to 2 chats (Episode 90 & 91)with her and Ezra Sherman.

• Steve Wood Farnum Hill Listen to 2 chats (Episodes 32 & 33)  Steve, Louisa Spencer and the team at this New Hampshire cidery.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Jan 3, 2018

A $900 Price Drop for the Totally Cider Tour to the UK in April 25 - May 2, 2018. Join Ria and other awesome cider friends on this tour of a life time. Go to https://form.jotform.com/73186243884970 and register now!

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Eric and Katie Rider are making cider on the hillside of the Santa Cruz mountains. They are dry farming their apple trees and also using apples from Five Mile Orchard in Corralitos. (Jake Mann whose family own's the orchard will be on an upcoming Cider Chat.) Eric and Katie's home and cidery is smack in the middle of an old Stagecoach route between San Jose and Santa Cruz, California.

Imagine for a moment stagecoach riders snacking on plums from San Jose and tossing out the plum's pits along the way. As a result this mountainside cidery and homestead has plum trees growing all around the property. Katie makes a Plum Port from the surround trees, that she likes pouring into a glass of cider as a cider cocktail called Plum Jerkum.

Their ciderhouse is 120 square feet (10' x 12') with variable cider tanks ( a stainless tank with a floating top that rises and lowers as the cider flows). This small shed is fully tricked out with air conditioning and all the needs for making a range of ciders at Rider Ranch.

The current cider offerings at Rider Ranch are ciders made from apple trees that were planted pre-Prohibition, which provides a specific niche to their branding of using only trees that are 90 years or older. However, it looks like they will have a cider made with 75 year old trees coming up in 2018. Either way their ciders are rock solid, tasty delights!

Ciders at Rider Ranch

  • Pre-Prohibition Pippin
  • Dry Farmed Pippin
  • 75 year old Pippin

Contact for Rider Ranch Ciderworks

Website: http://www.riderranchciderworks.com/

eMail: mailto:info@riderranch.net

Mentions in this Chat

Jake Mann - Five Mile Orchard LLC, Corralitos California - Jake will be on an upcoming episode of  Cider Chat

February 11, 2018 - New York International Beer Competition (NYIBC) is accepting cider entries NOW! NYIBC is using the United States Association of Cider Makers new cider categories for this competition. The judges at this competition are in the trade of buying and selling cider and thus judge the cider on the merits of taste and price point.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Dec 27, 2017

Ice Cider is made by freezing fresh pressed apple juice. The first element to freeze in the process is the water that is naturally occurring in all apples to a less or greater degree. As the water freezes, the pure liquid apple juice (sans the water) is extracted and then made into what is known as Ice Cider! Canadian cidermakers hold the title for exposing the world to this process. Quebec maker Christian Barthomeuf is the man that we all hail as the ice cider inventor.

Eleanor Ledger co-owner and maker at Eden Specialty Ciders lives across the border from Bathomeuf in Vermont and has become America’s go-to voice for ice cider.

Chadd Cook of Cider Hill Cellars, who was on episode 104 of Cider Chat, makes an ice cider that was inspired by Eden’s ice cider with northern spy as the base apple.

In this chat, Chadd shares how he “reverse” engineered Eden’s ice cider when working on his own ice cider for Cider Hill Cellars.

Listen to his many tips such as,

- the amount of fresh juice that is needed to make one gallon of ice cider

- the best apple to use for making ice cider

- the freezing process for fresh pressed juice,  freezing right above 34 degrees.

- stopping fermentation of ice cider

Contact for Cider Hill Cellars

  Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Dec 20, 2017

Adam Levy’s moniker is “The Alcohol Professor “. In this chat we are talking with this self professed beer freak about getting cider makers to enter their ciders into two competition that he runs in New York City and Berlin, Germany.   

Adam Levy

Adam started the International Spirits Competition in 2008 followed by the International Wine Competition and then the International Beer Competition which is now in its 7th year.

February 11, 2018, the New York International Beer Competition's 7th judging will be takes place in NYC. Beside beer, this competition also judges ciders and meads.

The cider categories used in the competition come from the United States Association of Cider Makers which just this year (2017) introduced their 10 categories for cider styles. International ciders entering the competition will be judged based upon their country’s styles.

What makes this competition unique is the Judges! Instead of having Makers, Adam has Trade Buyers judge the cider based upon category and price point.

Adam says, “Most people buy based on price. These people are the buyers and distributors some who own craft beer bars and are ordering at restaurants.”

How does entering this competition benefit makers and cider?

-First off, who doesn’t love winning a medal!

-More importantly, Adams says that if he gets enough entries he is open to having a stand alone cider competition!!! And best yet, he is getting very close to the number of cider needed to make it so.

We also discuss:

  • How the Gold, Silver, Bronze and regional awards are determined
  • Use of digital images from the awards
  • Options available for showcasing their awards, such as promoting a win on a cider label.

The Deadline to send cider to the February 11, 2018 competition is February 4th.

Going to CiderCon?  Bring your cider to Adam who will be at the vendor area at CiderCon with a table and save money on shipping! You can also enter your cider in the Berlin International Competition and save money on international shipping charges.

Dates to note for upcoming competitions.

  • New York International Beer Competition February 11, 2018 Deadline to enter February 4, 2018
  • Berlin International Competition - March 4, 2018 Deadline to enter February 4, 2018

To enter your ciders go to:   New York International Beer Competition

Contact Adam Levy

Website: Alcohol Professor

Telephone: 917-338-0163  extension 1

eMail: info@nyibeercompetition.com

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Dec 13, 2017

Reserve  your spot today for the Totally Cider Tour to the UK! The cider tour begins in Bristol, UK on April 25th and then after that evening's dinner at The Stable for the "Ultimate Cider" dinner we head out to tour around Somerset and then Herefordshire through May 2nd. Sign up for a trip of a lifetime and come along with Ria, the host of Cider Chat and fellow cider travels.

The main chat this week begins at 10:54 minutes

The Cider Junction is a 31 tap cider bistro and bottle shop (26 dedicated to cider), located 10 minutes from San Jose International Airport and smack in the middle of an area once known as "Valley of Heart's Delight"! Thanks to owners/publicans Claudia Derp and Tracy Smith craft cider is pouring seven days a week in San Jose California.

For this chat I headed to The Cider Junction with "The Nose" to meet Claudia and Tracy. I was curious to hear how their newly opened "bistro and bottle shop" was doing only one month after their opening.

Cider Junction flight

Listen along as we discover the background story behind The Cider Junction, why this area of San Jose known as Willow Glen is a not so hidden gem in the middle of this bright, light city and what to expect when you visit The Cider Junction.

Cider Junction tap menu during our recording

Download the Digital Pour App to find the latest selection of ciders on tap at The Cider Junction.

Contact for The Cider Junction

Website: https://www.theciderjunction.com/

Email: info@theciderjunction.com

Address: 

  • 820 Willow St
  • San Jose (Willow Glen), CA 95125

Hours: *** Closed on Mondays during the winter months

  • Monday - Friday  4 pm to 10 pm (or later)
  • Saturday 11 am - midnight
  • Sunday 11 am - 8 pm

Cider Events, thangs....Cideries Mentioned in this chat

Then to Santa Cruz!

February 11, 2018 - New York International Beer Competition (NYIBC) is accepting cider entries NOW! NYIBC is using the United States Association of Cider Makers new cider categories for this competition. The judges at this competition are in the trade of buying and selling cider and thus judge the cider on the merits of taste and price point.

CiderCon 2018 - January 30 - February 2, 2018 register and download the program today and start planning your time in Baltimore, Maryland at CiderCon!

Podcast Episode mentioned

030: Nat West | Reverend Nat's Hard Cider, OR

081: Stephanie & Aaron Carson | Gypsy Circus Cider Co., TN

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat. 

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Dec 6, 2017

Register: Between December 6th through the 13th and receive $100 off your fee!

Register Me!

Join Ria (the Producer and Host of Cider Chat) and Totally Cider for a fantastic journey to the West Country in the United Kingdom. We will visit some of the best cideries and stay in lovely accommodations for our trip. Additional days pre- or post-tour can easily be arranged.

Space is limited for this unique opportunity, so don't wait! Please follow this link for registration and payments: Register Me!

Cider Visits & Sightseeing:

Sightseeing

  • Tintern Abbey
  • Chepstow Castle
  • Bath
    • Have all day Saturday to roam about in the City of Bath, visting the Roman Baths, a High Cider Tea at our hotel or the many English Pubs!

Accommodation:

  • 1 night • Brooks Guest House, Bristol • 4 Star
  • 1 nights • Castle Hotel, Taunton • 4 Star
  • 2 night • Abbey Hotel, Bath • 4 Star
  • 2 nights • Brooks Country House, Ross on Wye • 4 Star
  • 1 night • Brooks Guest House, Bristol • 4 Star

Meals:

  • Breakfasts at the hotel each morning
  • Ultimate Cider Experience at The Stable Restaurant, Bristol
  • Lunch at the Railway Inn (Thatcher’s)
  • Three course dinner at the Castle Hotel Taunton (private room)
  • Lunch at the Three Horseshoes
  • Packed lunch/ Picnic from Apple County Cider
  • Light lunch at Brooks Country House Hotel
  • Three course dinner in Brooks Country House (private area of restaurant)
  • Packed lunch provided by Brooks Country House

Detailed itinerary and a few photos to give you a taste can be found below. The tour is round trip from Bristol.

Mentions in this Chat

February 11, 2018 - New York International Beer Competition (NYISC) is accepting cider entries NOW! NYISC is using the United States Association of Cider Makers new cider categories for this competition. The judges at this competition are in the trade of buying and selling cider and thus judge the cider on it merit of taste and price point.

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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Nov 29, 2017

Reserve you spot today for the Totally Cider Tour to the UK! We will be visiting Tom Oliver an award winning cidermaker and this week's guest on Cider Chat. This cider tour begins in Bristol, UK on April 25, 2018, then after that evening's dinner at The Stable for the "Ultimate Cider" dinner we head out to tour around Somerset and then Herefordshire through May 2nd. Sign up for a trip of a lifetime and come along with Ria, the host of Cider Chat and fellow cider travels.

This week's chat was recorded during Tom's presentation at CiderDays 2017.

Making Perry tips from Tom

  • No surprise that Tom says you are reliant upon the fruit
  • Don’t work with culinary pears or apples
  • All about minimum intervention
  • Ferments with wild yeast - does not pitch yeast.
  • Doesn’t use sulfite prior to fermentation
  • No yeast nutrient
  • Use a little bit of SO2 - about 80 ppm

Tom’s favorite Pear varieties for making Perry, hopefully from old trees

More pears mentions in this chat:

  • Coppy
  • Rock
  • Gin
  • Oldfield
  • Christmas Pear
  • Cypress Pear
  • Ferret Custard
  • Cows slip
  • Dead Boy

Go to this UK link to find out more about Perry Pears

The Challenge of Perry Pears:

  • They all ripen at different times
  • They don’t come off the tree
  • They engage in bletting
  • If the pear is brown in side is it bad or rotten - no it is not - it is fermenting.

Blet - means overripe pear...it is fermenting

Rot - is decomposing.

  • And Tom does use pears that are bletting from the inside out - "It is how far you will let it go. (blet).
  • Tom washes the pears beforehand and referenced Mike Beck and how he uses saline solution to wash the pears in because pears sink, unlike apples that float.
  • Maceration - leaving the pears to break down the sugars before you press them
    • Tom does at least 24 hours to 48 hours for a pressing.

Contact for Oliver's Cider and Perry

Ask for the following 9 #ciderGoingUP Campaign sponsors - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia

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