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Jun 27, 2018

What are Medlars?

  • Medlars are pommes.
  • It can be either a tree or a large bush.
  • The small brown medlars are picked in the fall. Because Medlars are eaten in the winter months they were very popular at a time when fruit was not easily accessible during winter months.
  • To Blet a Medlar, means that this pomme is allowed to over ripen to the point of almost being rotten.

How to eat a Medlar

  • Wait until the medlar provides a smell of apple and figs - this tell you that the medlar is really ripe
  • peal off the outer layer of skin
  • squeeze off the green tail end.
  • Plop the whole medlar in your mouth or eat with a spoon

The Eastern States Exposition annual Cider and Perry competition is now in its 3rd year. The short local name for the exposition is "Big E", which is fair held over two weeks, on the second weekend after Labor Day. In preparation for this year's  Big E a wine, cider and perry competition took place. The wine segment has been running for over 13 years! Cider and Perry as noted is now 3 years in the running.

This year’s judging for the upcoming Big E,  took place on June 9, 2018. There were over 50 ciders entered from all five New England states and New York.

The judging was held on the ground of the Big E and wine judges were also present, naturally sitting away from the cider judges

The Big E cider judges for 2018

  • Charlie O’chowski - Founding members of CiderDays
  • Mark Gryska - CiderDays Competition Director
  • April Woodard - Wild Child Cellars
  • Curt Sherrer - Millstone Cellars and Wild Child Cellars
  • Emily Kovach editor of Cider Culture, an online cider publication.
  • Ria Windcaller, Cider Chat Producer and Host

Big benefits for medal winners

  • All medal winners are displayed in the Wine and Cheese Barn during The Big E exposing New England Ciders to a potential audience of over 1.8 million Fairgoers.
  • Wine and Cheese Barn participants are able to sell and promote their ciders with one-on-one direct sales.
  • All winners entering 2 or more ciders will be able to sign up for a day to sell ciders in the Barn for the day. Eastern States Exposition takes care of all the busy work, maintaining your inventory, setting up your display in the shop, and ringing up all your sales for the day! Cider Makers will be expected to pour, sample and build relationships with patrons. 

The Best is Show judging was recorded during this competition and is featured on this episode of Cider Chat.

The winner was Redfield cider produced by West County Cider, Massachusetts. Maker, Field Maloney is featured on episode 1 of Cider Chat

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

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Jun 20, 2018

Cider's Chemical Fingerprints

John Edwards presented "Chemical Fingerprints of Cider" at the United States Association of Cider Makers annual conference in Baltimore Maryland (CiderCon) in February 2018.

The full title of this workshop was The Complex Fingerprint Analysis of Cider and other Alcoholic Beverages by Quantitative NMR Spectroscopy.

What is NMR?

  • Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) spectroscopy is an analytical chemistry technique used in quality control and research for determining the content and purity of a sample as well as its molecular structure.

What can NMR Spectroscopy do for Cider?

  • Interested in nutritional labels?
  • Wonder what the cost is to do an analysis and get your own label?
  • Have a stuck fermentation?
  • Trying to set up a baseline for tracking terroir?
  • Need help analyzing cider or other beverages?

NMR can do all of the above, albeit not all of this is now being done with cider. However in the wine industry NMR is used to track vintages and terroir, so it is perhaps just a matter of time.

Contact info for John Edwards

Website: Process NMR Associates

email:  john@process-nmr.com

Telephone: 203- 744-5905

Address:

  • 87A Sand Pit Rd
  • Danbury, CT 06810

Mentions in this chat

Two articles online mentioning Cider Chat podcast

1. Cider Culture - Resources to Up Your DIY Cider Education

2. CiderCraft Magazine: Let's Get Digital

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

 

 

Jun 13, 2018

 

Bâtonnage is a winemaking technique that is also used in Cidermaking. It involves raking the lees or what is seen as the heavy particulars of yeast cells that fall out of solution and down to the bottom of the barrel during primary fermentation. Bâtonnage is all about stirring the lees back into solution. Makers like Ryan Monkman of FieldBird Cider and Lee Baker of Keint-He Winery and Vineyards discuss and demo this technique in this episode #132

Go to Cider Chat YouTube Channel and view clip Ryan demonstrating the stirring in of the lees - Bâtonnage.

Key topics discussed in this chat

  • What is Malolactic Fermentation:
  • The sounds of cider and what it is telling you during fermentation
  • Barrel Cellar design
  • Comparison between two barrels to manage the barrel
    • One did not go through Malolactic fermentation (MLF) manage the ferment by adding sulfur to stop the MLF from happening.
    • The other did go through malolactic fermentation.
  • Managing the Lees | Lees contact
  • What does lee contact on the cider provide?
  • Bâtonnage
  • What to do when Film Yeast appears in your barrel or carboy

Contact info for this week’s featured Guests

Ryan Monkman - FieldBird Cider

Lee Baker - Keint-He Winery & Vineyards

email: lee@keint-he.ca.

Mentions in this chat

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

Jun 6, 2018

Cider Barrel Maintenance

The craft of making an oak barrel is called “cooperage” and the person who applies this craft is called a “cooper”. The skills of this trade have been passed down through the centuries. The tree and the wood chosen to become a barrel has to meet specific criteria, such as having a tight grain and flavor profiles that lend the tannin qualities often sought in a cider barrel.

From the classic wide belly barrels to oval shaped vessels, the shape of wooden barrels have changed very little over time. Quality control over the wood used and the intricacies of heat, stave bending, and maintenance of cider barrels continues to evolve.

This episode 131 was recorded in Saint Catharine, Ontario during a dinner chat with Ryan Monkman of FieldBird Cider, Thierry Lemaire of Nuance Winery Supplies and Louis of Radoux, a cooperage based in Santa Rosa California and France.

All three men have extensive knowledge on barrel use with wine. As the cider market continues to grow and both the consumer’s and cidermakers interest in ciders fermented or stored in oak increases, barrel maintenance is undoubtedly a hot topic and a key market for these specialist in the art of oak barrel cooperage and fermentation.

As we enjoy a bottle of Ryan’s FieldBird cider over dinner the four of us discuss oak barrel selection and maintenance, which in short narrows down to the broader topic of Barrel Skills. Whereas the wine industry has been working with oak barrels for centuries, cidermakers particularly in the US and Canada, are only now gaining speed with cider post Prohibition.

Key topics in this chat:

  • Finding the right oak barrel for your cider
  • Barrel Maintenance:
  • Cleaning a barrel
  • Storing a barrel
    • - wet or dry storage
    • - burning a sulfur disk
  • Leaky barrels - mechanical (cooperage) or maker mismanagement?
  • Using Wax on a barrel to stop evaporation
  • Buying a new barrel

Contact Info for the guest in this episode

Thierry Lemaire

  • Website: Nuance Winery Supplies
  • eMail: mailto:sales@nuancetrade.com
  • Address: 15 Lloyd Street
  • St Catharines, ON L2S 2N7 - Canada
  • Telephone: +1 905-225-0114

Louis Zandvliet

  • Website: Radoux
  • Address:
    • 480 Aviation Blvd.
    • Santa Rosa, CA 95403
  • Telephone:  (707) 284-2888

Ryan Monkman

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Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts.

  1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
  2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
  3. Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
  4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
  5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
  6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
  7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
  8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
  9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
  10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
  11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
  12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
  13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

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